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I haven't looked at it recently, but a Texas has had the best TV contract situation in the country. UT and OU get a bigger share of the Big 12 pie PLUS they have the Longhorns network revenue on top of that. Does the Longhorn network still exist? I'm not sure, but I think so. I think they got a guaranteed 250 mil or something from it.

I dont see why they would leave. Both the Big 10 and Pac 12 have Fox based contracts, and I dont think they would play nice with the ESPN based longhorn network. Also I don't see them getting a bigger share, though I guess the standard share could be bigger?

I think Texas will stay put, unless something drastic happens
 
UNLVFansincebirth22 said:
This talk about UNLV getting into a P5 conference is laughable.
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Actually its not.

Its one of the largest TV markets without a P5 affiliate.

There ard a lot of advertisement dollars to be made here.

It's a misconception to think that its all sports related. Academics play a huge part as well. The medical school helps a ton along with Tier on status.

Most people would think it would be Boise State. Reality is how many tv viewers does that bring in?. I also don't think they have the academics.

CSU is a prime candidate despite middling athletics. New stadium, tv market, facilities etc..

Will it happen? Don't know. But it isn't as crazy as it seems on the surface.
 
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Bullmastiff 1 said:
Actually its not.

Its one of the largest TV markets without a P5 affiliate.

There ard a lot of advertisement dollars to be made here.

It's a misconception to think that its all sports related. Academics play a huge part as well. The medical school helps a ton along with Tier on status.

Most people would think it would be Boise State. Reality is how many tv viewers does that bring in?. I also don't think they have the academics.

CSU is a prime candidate despite middling athletics. New stadium, tv market, facilities etc..

Will it happen? Don't know. But it isn't as crazy as it seems on the surface.
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Okay. We will re-visit this post later. As a UNLV alum and die-hard fan, I wont take any pleasure in saying, "I told you so."

Its just not gonna happen bro. Look at the landscape...
 
UNLVFansincebirth22 said:
Okay. We will re-visit this post later. As a UNLV alum and die-hard fan, I wont take any pleasure in saying, "I told you so."

Its just not gonna happen bro. Look at the landscape...
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I hear ya..

But..

Why would The Big 10 take on Rutgers? Because Schiano had a nice run? Their basketball isn't anything special.

They wanted to get into that TV market.

I'm not saying it will happen, but it really isn't all that far fetched either.
 
j. spilotro said:
Don’t know that it will be expansion as much as needing to add a few so they’re at a certain number. I think they’ll lose a couple first, then add a couple to four.
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I believe we have to pay an exit fee to leave the Mountain West Conference. 5 to 7 million??. I believe it was set up after the conference lost TCU to the Big 12
 
Bullmastiff 1 said:
I hear ya..

But..

Why would The Big 10 take on Rutgers? Because Schiano had a nice run? Their basketball isn't anything special.

They wanted to get into that TV market.

I'm not saying it will happen, but it really isn't all that far fetched either.
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Just all this talk out of NOWHERE about us joining a P5 conference is laughable. Temper expectations. The past is indicative of the future.

We are not a "name brand" anymore. That, coupled with the fact that the P5 conferences are NOT going to want to let another low-level team in to share their gazillions with...and you have a formula for NOT HAPPENING".
 
UNLVFansincebirth22 said:
Just all this talk out of NOWHERE about us joining a P5 conference is laughable. Temper expectations. The past is indicative of the future.
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Sometimes.

Past is past.

Like people saying Arroyo is Sanford 2.0.

Sure, if Sanford had a facility and a larger budget to hire assistants. Then you can could say that.

Same thing now with UNLV.

10-15 years ago, seemed impossible.

Medical school, facility, stadium and Tier 1 status later changes things.

I get the skepticism.

I'm skeptical.

But outside of CSU, UNLV has as good or better of a chance than any other MWC school. Does the Big12 really care about locking in the Idaho TV market with Boise?
 
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Bullmastiff 1 said:
Sometimes.

Past is past.

Like people saying Arroyo is Sanford 2.0.

Sure, if Sanford had a facility and a larger budget to hire assistants. Then you can could say that.

Same thing now with UNLV.

10-15 years ago, seemed impossible.

Medical school, facility, stadium and Tier 1 status later changes things.

I get the skepticism.

I'm skeptical.

But outside of CSU, UNLV has as good or better of a chance than any other MWC school. Does the Big12 really care about locking in the Idaho TV market with Boise?
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Okay. Agree to disagree but also agree to be sceptical. Its not happening. I told you so. (Saying now so I dont have to repeat later).

We have a pro stadium we share with Raiders. If your logic were on point, SDSU would be in a P5 by now. Whoops.
 
220reb said:
I believe we have to pay an exit fee to leave the Mountain West Conference. 5 to 7 million??. I believe it was set up after the conference lost TCU to the Big 12
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No problemo. I believe the B12 get $38 mil each from TV.
 
UNLVFansincebirth22 said:
Okay. Good deal. UNLV to a P5 because of our med school. Got it.

Let me know when this happens.
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Dude I know you think deep runs in the dance or going bowling every year are what get you into the P5. It is part of it. But its not the biggest part. You have to meet academic requirements. UNLV has positioned themselves. The population/advertising potential of Vegas makes UNLV an attractive prospect. That is all anybody is saying.
 
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Bullmastiff 1 said:
Dude I know you think deep runs in the dance or going bowling every year are what get you into the P5. It is part of it. But its not the biggest part. You have to meet academic requirements. UNLV has positioned themselves. The population/advertising potential of Vegas makes UNLV an attractive prospect. That is all anybody is saying.
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No...having a reputation for being a total joke academically and athletically in the last 20 years coupled witht the fact that P5 presidents are not going to vote to give more money away is my logic.

Athletic reputation is actually a big deal when considering letting in a team. It takes more precedence than you are giving credence to.

The "stats" on paper may say one thing, according to you...but perception is reality and the reality is that UNLV is a f***ing joke in all aspects.

This talk of UNLV to a P5 all of a sudden is hilarious. You could throw a hand grenade into the crowd at the Mack for a home game and you wouldnt injure anyone.
 
dcut03 said:
I haven't looked at it recently, but a Texas has had the best TV contract situation in the country. UT and OU get a bigger share of the Big 12 pie PLUS they have the Longhorns network revenue on top of that. Does the Longhorn network still exist? I'm not sure, but I think so. I think they got a guaranteed 250 mil or something from it.

I dont see why they would leave. Both the Big 10 and Pac 12 have Fox based contracts, and I dont think they would play nice with the ESPN based longhorn network. Also I don't see them getting a bigger share, though I guess the standard share could be bigger?

I think Texas will stay put, unless something drastic happens
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I totally forgot about the Longhorn Network, yes it is still up and going. TV, that is the money that makes the athletic "world go round" so Texas and OU probably ain't going anywhere due to that tv deal and that is good for the Big 12 remaining viable.
 
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As for academics, I don't think unr is even close to better than UNLV anymore. When you look at are dental school and law schools that they don't even have, one of the top robotics programs, the business school, hotel management, etc., and a mainframe computer that puts almost every school to shame.
 
Rebel 5280 - UNLV is now designated as a Tier 1 research university.

The biggest negative for UNLV has been the football program, and I think the money that is being put into the program, the new training facilities, and the new stadium will change things quickly. From everything I am reading I expect UNLV football will make a big jump in attendance without even including the big name programs that will bring big crowds along for the games. A decent job of recruiting, start winning, and I can easily see UNLV at the top of the MWC in attendance within 2-3 years.
 
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Anyone who can't see that UNLV is trending up has not done their homework. Major changes since'89, UNLV has so much more to offer today as discussed; medical school, dental program, law school, Tier 1, drone program, Esports major, Athletic facilities, Liberal arts, research etc.
They're trying to gentrify Maryland Parkway it is such a young University the only game in town. I wish we had a senator like Orin Hatch who constantly threatened the NCAA for lack of inclusion.
We'll get there hopefully sooner rather than later.
 
How about we go about the economics of why a p5 program would want Las Vegas.

1.The Las Vegas metropolitan area is the 28th largest in the country.

2. Of the cities that are in the west, Las Vegas is the fourth largest area not currently directly served by a p5 area.

3. That leaves San Diego (1.1m more people) Portland (250k more people), and Sacramento (100k more people).

4. Of these four areas, Las Vegas is growing the fastest by far.

5. Of these four areas, only two (UNLV and sdsu) have D1 football and basketball teams.

6. Of those areas, only one qualifies academically with the facilities (new NFL stadium), academically( ranked 1st legal writing Law School over even Harvard, 58th over all) and athletically (albeit lacking wins).

7. Beyond the academics, there is more potential for revenue with Las Vegas (talks with major league teams are on going) than San Diego (lost all of their major league sports, sans the Padres). The Golden Knights have shown that a winner will sell out in Las Vegas, and that even poorly traveled fan bases WILL travel to Las Vegas.
 
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220reb said:
I believe we have to pay an exit fee to leave the Mountain West Conference. 5 to 7 million??. I believe it was set up after the conference lost TCU to the Big 12
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If UNLV isn’t in a position to handle an exit fee, they aren’t in a position jump conferences. I don’t know what the exit fee is though. Maybe it lessens over time? Maybe new conference pays it and chops it off your TV money? Not sure about any of those things.

But it’s ironic that with UNLV basketball + UNLV football combined are at their lowest point ever (brand, record, perception) yet the school is in better standing than ever (academic improvement, facilities, footprint). That’s because athletic quality isn’t the top priority, it’s closer to the bottom than top. All those other things matter more.

Is it enough? Might be. It’s certainly not inevitable. But I wouldn’t call it a long shot exactly. But not banking on it either. Though I do feel strongly that after all the dust settles after the next round of the expansion merry go round, if UNLV doesn’t land in a power conference, they (and others not making it) won’t really survive. The gap between haves and have nots is increasing and I think after round, it’ll be major chasm without hopes of ever being similar.
 
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j. spilotro said:
If UNLV isn’t in a position to handle an exit fee, they aren’t in a position jump conferences. I don’t know what the exit fee is though. Maybe it lessens over time? Maybe new conference pays it and chops it off your TV money? Not sure about any of those things.

But it’s ironic that with UNLV basketball + UNLV football combined are at their lowest point ever (brand, record, perception) yet the school is in better standing than ever (academic improvement, facilities, footprint). That’s because athletic quality isn’t the top priority, it’s closer to the bottom than top. All those other things matter more.

Is it enough? Might be. It’s certainly not inevitable. But I wouldn’t call it a long shot exactly. But not banking on it either. Though I do feel strongly that after all the dust settles after the next round of the expansion merry go round, if UNLV doesn’t land in a power conference, they (and others not making it) won’t really survive. The gap between haves and have nots is increasing and I think after round, it’ll be major chasm without hopes of ever being similar.
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Hardly a sure thing.

But not nearly as crazy as some think.
 
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Nobody is saying we're going p5. We would need to start winning football games and prove we can draw fans. It isn't impossible though. Most important thing is the number of tv viewers we would bring
 
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Nobody is saying we're going p5. We would need to start winning football games and prove we can draw fans. It isn't impossible though. Most important thing is the number of tv viewers we would bring
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Why are people thinking excellence or even mediocrity is required for entry? Somebody has to suck. I don’t care if we are bottom 3 in a power, just get there. It’s stability and it’s financial safety net. And you need stability if you want to achieve at a higher level.

I do think we have a shot. I do think pro sports helps, because now we are “big time” as a city instead of a podunk town with Tumbleweed Tech. We have a population, we have eyes and market, we are the supreme destination city - opposing P12 fans would swarm the stadium every year. Everything aside from our play is attractive...

Like I said, we do have a shot ... but this is ... UNLV. We already get the crap end.

This is why a powerful, respected, influential AD is/has been required. This is where money needs to go .... it’s a small investment for a huge potential return, an athletic department saving and money making return. UNLV has skimped with AD’s...
 
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Rebel1986 said:
We would not be required to take unr since we have moved around several times and unr was never taken into consideration in the past. It also appears that unr football attendance is on a deep decline. I expect UNLV will double the attendance of unr next year due to the new stadium being a draw, an increase of season ticket sales due to a better out of conference schedule, and the new coaching staff. If the new staff is able to recruit at a higher level, that could draw even larger crowds.
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It would be required that we still play them, which I love. I heard it’s actually a state law now that UNLV and UNR must play each year.
 
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UNLV has skimped on a lot in the athletic department even while they had almost $60 million in their budget only about 5 years ago, which has reduced to around $47 million in 2019. At least now they have come up with a budget for hiring the football coach and staff that puts UNLV in the top 2-3 in the MWC instead of bottom 2-3.
 
I have never seen any state law that requires UNLV to play unr. It just became a policy to have the two teams play each other.
 
Rebel1986 said:
I have never seen any state law that requires UNLV to play unr. It just became a policy to have the two teams play each other.
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They mentioned it ~3 times on the last broadcast of the game that I thought it was passed as a law, but maybe it was just a board mandate.
 
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They mentioned it ~3 times on the last broadcast of the game that I thought it was passed as a law, but maybe it was just a board mandate.
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I would guess NSHE mandate rather than actually NRS statute. Would On a quick good search for relevant terms, I didn't see anything. But totally seems like something NSHE would want to get in writing for when UNLV moves to a new conference and before UNR inevitably follows 15 years later with its tail between its legs :)
 
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The Raiders will demonstrate the power of having games played in Las Vegas. Will seeing our stadium and having the mystique of the Las Vegas Strip in the background draw a larger viewership?

We will find out soon enough.
 
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Not only will it draw bigger crowds to the games for both the Raiders and UNLV, but it will also increase the viewership for televised games. I expect to see an immediate boost in the number of UNLV games televised as well as the viewership! The shiny new stadium should do a lot to boost the UNLV program in all ways good!
 
I dont know if I believe it, but the local sports radio guys in Houston thinks that the move to Las Vegas will make the Raiders one the most profitable franchises in the league.
 
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