Official : NIU to the Mountain West

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In a vacuum it’s pretty easy to see that the teams going to the PAC in aggregate are way more valuable than the MW. And it’s easy to say that if we take all the valuable parts then we will all make more because we don’t have to share with the less valuable parts.

But there was a TON of hubris in thinking that was all there was to it. They’re finding this out now.

It’s like the PAC was a Lexus that got stripped for parts when everyone left and all WSU and OSU were left with was the body. Well they’ve got a bunch of money but not enough to replace the missing parts with Lexus parts, so they decide to strip the parts from the MWs Toyota Camry. Since Toyota makes Lexus they figure they can pass it off, but then they run out of money or piss off a supplier and now they’re just trying to cobble together a car that runs.

Gonna look great with those stock rims and tires off a 1997 Ford Ranger.

They, along with at least a few others in the conference could have said, “we’d really like to merge but we need a more equitable distribution for the “better brands”, and presented a solution to do that and the MW would have had to agree for fear of what is happening now.

It makes TOO much sense that that’s what SHOULD have happened, but this is when hubris and ego steps in, because to pull it off they would have needed UNLV and one other. But SomeboD(SU)y didn’t want that.

If it was JUST money then it would have gone another way.

I don't know, I think it is and always about the money.

Many here think that the MW is obviously "winning" because we have at least a whole conference right now and they do not.

But us adding teams that the PAC probably didn't really want isn't exactly "winning". Hell Texas State said no to us just because they thought the PAC might add them, and then the PAC pulled back.

It feels to me that the PAC is more concerned about the money than the MW. The PAC could have added many teams by now, but haven't ( like Texas State), because they really want to make the bottom line worth their while.

To be fair they are staring at 55 mil in poaching fees and any exit fee helped that they have pledged, so that plays a role.

But the whole idea that the PAC is at DEFCON 5 right now is likely off. For sure things didn't go to plan for them, that is obvious, but they sure aren't acting rash right now like they are panicking. It seems to me that they are taking their time to make sure they maximize their payouts. They also have some lawsuits too to be fair to think about.

We may not know how foolish this whole thing will be until everything is settled. If they end up with an 8 mil contract and the MW gets a 6 mil contract, they will look pretty dumb. If we end up with a 4 mil base contract and they have 10+, then we look dumb.

I just don't think we were sabotaged based off of spite. I think that idea makes people around here feel better about the situation, but the truth probably is UNLV was at best 5th place in terms of media valuation earlier this season. Simple as that.

 

[RebelinWA]

Exactly. I actually was on front end of OOH media in the early 2000s with Clubcom(gyms) and Ideacast(planes). Everything is a guess based on potential eyeballs per visitor volume. Some people are watching some TVs, other people are watching other TVs. Some people don't watch at all.

For streaming, its a little bit easier since we can filter by device type. But commercial is a beast. Even Neilsen ratings are a best guess that is based on x amount of viewership that each neilsen family is supposed to represent.

 

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I don't know, I think it is and always about the money.

Many here think that the MW is obviously "winning" because we have at least a whole conference right now and they do not.

But us adding teams that the PAC probably didn't really want isn't exactly "winning". Hell Texas State said no to us just because they thought the PAC might add them, and then the PAC pulled back.

It feels to me that the PAC is more concerned about the money than the MW. The PAC could have added many teams by now, but haven't ( like Texas State), because they really want to make the bottom line worth their while.

To be fair they are staring at 55 mil in poaching fees and any exit fee helped that they have pledged, so that plays a role.

But the whole idea that the PAC is at DEFCON 5 right now is likely off. For sure things didn't go to plan for them, that is obvious, but they sure aren't acting rash right now like they are panicking. It seems to me that they are taking their time to make sure they maximize their payouts. They also have some lawsuits too to be fair to think about.

We may not know how foolish this whole thing will be until everything is settled. If they end up with an 8 mil contract and the MW gets a 6 mil contract, they will look pretty dumb. If we end up with a 4 mil base contract and they have 10+, then we look dumb.

I just don't think we were sabotaged based off of spite. I think that idea makes people around here feel better about the situation, but the truth probably is UNLV was at best 5th place in terms of media valuation earlier this season. Simple as that.

The MW definitely isn’t “winning” and anyone who thinks that is misguided and deserves no validation by even bringing them into this discussion.

By making this about winning and losing though you equate it to a street fight where the start of the fight was when someone you didn’t know was an opponent cheap shotted you with a baseball bat. The fight doesn’t start til both people know there is or gonna be one.

Since the start of the real fight I’d say the MW has pretty much matched them blow for blow, with an assist from Memphis and the AAC.

Are they panicking? Maybe or maybe not. But to paint them as being patient and meticulous is pretty generous.

I don’t think there is any denying that they made some dubious calculations regarding UNLV, Memphis, and others and I think those calculations were at least in some part attributed to hubris and ego.

And they can put whatever metric shine on whatever turd they end up adding but there are reasons NOBODY ever looked at adding any of those turds before.

I do appreciate the discussion for what it’s worth.

Even if you’re totally wrong 😎