Pac will end up with NM State for a couple of million. Some the guys over at UTEP's board are pissed that they didn't hold out for an offer to the Pac upon hearing that the NM State President and AD may be having talks with the pac. Crazy times.
MWC & PAC Mediation Discussion for Poaching & Exit Fees
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UTEP likely got a full share to join MWC.
PAC would likely give them a half share.
It would probably be a wash.
If that's how it played out UTEP who is way behind everyone in the PAC already would continue to get left behind. In the MWC if majority of schools are making the same, it would help them remain competitive and grow vs being the door mat in the PAC.
Purely a guess NMSU might be considered but this is a desperation move by the PAC if true.
Not bashing NMSU but they were never on the PACs radar.
Imagine mediation is going to lean in MWC favor, and at even 60/40 reduction they're still paying a ton of money to eventually settle for Texas St or NMSU...
I don't see the Pac being serious about NM State but, who knows. Rumors start flying and minds start going in all different directions.
If TX St was offered and turned down 1/2 media share as some have said that might be the best indication that their media contract is worse than what I was thinking it would be. They may be struggling to get 8 million. Biggest loser BSU. Biggest winner Zags.
I just do not see this huge value that they would have had even a year ago. The PAC2 consist of the Washington State and Oregon State teams that are powerhouse in their own minds! In football Wash St: 2023 5-7 2024 8-5 (lost 4 of last 5) Oregon State 2023 8-5 2024 5-7 attendance for Washington State dropped from 28K to 22K. attendance for Oregon State dropped from 37K to 35.8K (including home game verse Oregon). My expectation is that these two program will continue to drop off, and I wouldn't be surprised if Washington state drops under 20K attendance next year. With or without a new media contract, they do not have the money needed to cover their debts. I just don't see a value as high as they are thinking, and the longer they wait, the more likely the media will force a bad deal on them.
Other recent negatives are the drop off in football and basketball for SDSU and the drop off in basketball for Gonzaga. Any way you look at it they currently have 7 football teams with 8 schools splitting the cash, and whomever they add will take that to 9 schools splitting the cash! I wouldn't be at all surprise if they end up around the $6-7 million range!
You both suck dog dicks. Disrespectfully.....
FYI Update:
www.spokesman.com
Pac-12, Mountain West begin mediation over poaching penalty lawsuit, other legal action
The Pac-12 and Mountain West conferences began their long-awaited mediation Monday in an attempt to settle the poaching penalty and exit fee lawsuits with potentially more than $100 million at stake.
www.spokesman.com
Thanks Meister. interesting comment: "or whether the talks would extend to Tuesday and beyond."FYI Update:
Pac-12, Mountain West begin mediation over poaching penalty lawsuit, other legal action
The Pac-12 and Mountain West conferences began their long-awaited mediation Monday in an attempt to settle the poaching penalty and exit fee lawsuits with potentially more than $100 million at stake.
Of course we all know that Wilner is an uninformed hack so there's that. Day 3 is now half over. Bet the MW is holding firm, thinking that their cases are strong if it goes to court.
Man, if I was the mediator Id have been like day 1...
"Look here, we know you cant agree on anything, so Im going to give 2 choices... Option 1- you pay the money, we negotiate a small reduction, you go off and be the "metric" conference. Option 2- you merge, and create the best G5 conference.. anything else is a waste of everybody's time".. now lets close this thing and go golfing for the rest of the day
"Look here, we know you cant agree on anything, so Im going to give 2 choices... Option 1- you pay the money, we negotiate a small reduction, you go off and be the "metric" conference. Option 2- you merge, and create the best G5 conference.. anything else is a waste of everybody's time".. now lets close this thing and go golfing for the rest of the day
nuke both mWC and old pac leftover..
Form G5 West Conference. G5 Midwest, G5 East G5 South.
Those schools make a pact to not play the P4’s.
It’s that simple.
Form G5 West Conference. G5 Midwest, G5 East G5 South.
Those schools make a pact to not play the P4’s.
It’s that simple.
What happens to all the money if WSU/OSU fail to rebuild the PAC by 2026?
I believe it gets distributed to all the former Pac 12 schools.
That was how I understood it but wasn't positive.
So in the event of a merger OSU/WSU//PAC would insist on it flying under the PAC banner.
That’s fine. I’ll allow it. The banner is small potatoes.
Yes and no. What is risk is the NCAA BB credits ($) which is distributed over 6 years. Last I read the 26-27 and after remaining allocations total about $30M. That is what the Pac-2 stands to lose. As far as the rest of the windfall, it has or will be spent by 6/30/26. If indeed anything is left, I believe it would be split between OSU and WSU. Remember that almost half the windfall is from the $50M/year Rose Bowl contract that expires in 25-26 no matter what. And the few $M/year that the P4 gave the Pac for 2 years out of pity. That goes away as well.
And as far as BB credits go, also recall that WSU/OSU don't share in WCC NCAA credits for these 2 years even if we earn them.
No. I wouldn't. The 2 rogues have an overinflated view of themselves. They own the rights to veto any decisions by their new board and would likely demand a similar voice if their funds are coming. And lets be real, those funds are diminishing, its not worth it. Kill the Pac 12 brand maybe create a new "WRC" Western Region Conference and let OSU/WSU keep their distributed dollars that then gets split to the other 10 departing teams from 2023 which is fair enough since they couldnt build a conference and be done with both MWC and Pac 12 brands. Then work with the 14 team league to fight for better access to the CFP- either an auto bid or 2 at large bids.. you're now talking about a conference that carries real weight.
Agreed.
Why I said PAC would insist...
MWC doesn't need to oblige.
Im still of the opinion the PAC gets their cc conference done.
But
A merger is more realistic option than it was a few months ago.
And
Their may be defectors. Fresno is not in a great place financially and this whole thing is getting costly.
2 things. One, as the Pac will only have the ~$30M in future NCAA BB payouts at risk, killing the Pac would only sting so much. $15M/team minus the then 1/12 share ($2.5M). So $12.5M each.
Second, there is no reason that your plan would not work but under the Pac banner. Or PacMtn conference. Changing the name doesn't dissolve the conference. You know, Pac- to Pac-10 to Pac-12 to PacMtn.
Considering we are 3 or 4 days into this thing seems that neither side had the 'slam dunk' case that fans thought.
Asked me 6 months ago if a merger was possible or be discussed, I would have said no way..Now? It may not happen but I think it's on the table.
Only in that anything associated with the "Pac" banner is now tainted as a lower tier brand and essentially defunct till you "recreate" it as some off shoot of the old brand power. Same with MWC. Id like to keep the MWC brand, but Im also realistic that it now includes Texas, Illinois and is no longer "Mountain West".. While Illinois might be stretching the Western Region brand- calling the conference regionally similar to South Eastern conference with "WAC" already being taken sounds like a better move than some odd colab between Pac and MW...
