Moment of Truth

[IMReb]

With their destiny in their hands, the Rebels face two teams they have already beaten. If the Rebs beat BSU and New Mexico beats CSU in the Pit, it's over. UNLV will secure the first round bye in the MWC Tourney. If the Rebs win and CSU wins, the Rebs will have to beat CSU next Saturday. Let's see if this team is up to the challenge.

 

[Rebel_Luv]

We lose to Boise St and we will not have a winning record at the end of the season. .500

 

[j. spilotro]

With their destiny in their hands, the Rebels face two teams they have already beaten. If the Rebs beat BSU and New Mexico beats CSU in the Pit, it's over. UNLV will secure the first round bye in the MWC Tourney. If the Rebs win and CSU wins, the Rebs will have to beat CSU next Saturday. Let's see if this team is up to the challenge.

It’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that Rebels will end up 5. They’d have to really choke to blow that. Boise isn’t a challenge, we beat them at 11 at their place, they’re Leon’s worst squad by far. The road always is tough though, unless it’s SJSU or Wyoming.

 

[DaUwillRiseAgain]

10-8 is what unlv will finish. This team isn't going to win at CSU. Good for them to get a win on senior night. Hopefully they can get a win in Vegas, but I doubt it. Fresno or San Diego State are significantly better than UNLV and that is the first round opponent.

 

[Pistol Pete 1]

Wrong, w

10-8 is what unlv will finish. This team isn't going to win at CSU. Good for them to get a win on senior night. Hopefully they can get a win in Vegas, but I doubt it. Fresno or San Diego State are significantly better than UNLV and that is the first round opponent.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong! Rebs finish the conference season 11-7 with the most wins in conference since Lon Kruger was here in the 2010-2011. Even CDR couldn’t do that with his prima donnas or with Lon Krugers players he left him.

 

[LuvMeSomeRebs]

11 wins looks great on paper, but when you factor in that according to realtime rpi, Sagarin, etc, the MW is the worst its ever been and all 11 wins were against the bottom 6 teams, and 5 of 6 losses against top 4 teams ended badly, and our 17 wins were against teams with a combined rating near 240, things suddenly don't look so great anymore, but hey, 11 wins will probably earn Marv another year to lose even more fans and get people less excited about UNLV basketball. Hopefully next year he can do something special.

 

[j. spilotro]

Wrong, w

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong! Rebs finish the conference season 11-7 with the most wins in conference since Lon Kruger was here in the 2010-2011. Even CDR couldn’t do that with his prima donnas or with Lon Krugers players he left him.

Conference rated worse than ever and we play a couple more games now.

Team metrics are all lower. Didn’t beat a team with a winning record. Grabbed a ton of “just show up” wins. Conference has never been weaker.

Yet without winning that many games, CDR got us a 5 seed in a real tournament with many non-Kruger players unless you think Bennett and Jones and others weren’t heavy contributors. Today, If we shell out 100k and call in a few favors with the governor, maybe we can get the CIT this year. Even a home game that 187 people will show up for (if you count staff).

A job is awaiting you at the UNLV Spin factory. You’re pretty good at it but you won’t be president. Much lower.

 

[Pistol Pete 1]

Conference rated worse than ever and we play a couple more games now.

Team metrics are all lower. Didn’t beat a team with a winning record. Grabbed a ton of “just show up” wins. Conference has never been weaker.

Yet without winning that many games, CDR got us a 5 seed in a real tournament with many non-Kruger players unless you think Bennett and Jones and others weren’t heavy contributors. Today, If we shell out 100k and call in a few favors with the governor, maybe we can get the CIT this year. Even a home game that 187 people will show up for (if you count staff).

A job is awaiting you at the UNLV Spin factory. You’re pretty good at it but you won’t be president. Much lower.

No spin. Just the facts ma’am. Sgt Friday.

 

[j. spilotro]

No spin. Just the facts ma’am. Sgt Friday.

No spin? UNLV and the LV media is working OT with spin.

Ain't no way to spin it. Shitty season again. Call it good all you want, those with eyes and a brain know better. It was weak. 2 wins vs above 500 teams and Hawaii and BYU aren't exactly strong. The other 15 were below 500. He schedules poor teams intentionally. He builds in 20 wins.

Oooops. Not this year.

 

[F.A.Hayek]

The spin is as confusing as it is annoying. The ace in the hole for them is to argue that MM’s first season was so bad, so unbelievably bad it should not count against him.

Ok. But then that fact should be the fixed point by which everything else is measured. And this season (even more than last season) ended up pretty much the same as the first when adjusted for schedule. We got blown out by Duke in year one; Bucknell in year three.

So what do you get? An argument that both makes (kind of) and destroys the case for MM. If a season is so bad it should not count, shouldn’t a similar season, two years removed, bring an automatic hook?

Starting at ground zero sucks for many reasons. But at least there is nowhere else to go but up. I don’t know that we have gone up at all or in any appreciable way. Digging a bigger basement (like scheduling weaker competition), does not make your building any taller. At some point there has to be growth and taking what he was given and growing it into something better should have been easy for an above average coach.

 

[j. spilotro]

The spin is as confusing as it is annoying. The ace in the hole for them is to argue that MM’s first season was so bad, so unbelievably bad it should not count against him.

Ok. But then that fact should be the fixed point by which everything else is measured. And this season (even more than last season) ended up pretty much the same as the first when adjusted for schedule. We got blown out by Duke in year one; Bucknell in year three.

So what do you get? An argument that both makes (kind of) and destroys the case for MM. If a season is so bad it should not count, shouldn’t a similar season, two years removed, bring an automatic hook?

Starting at ground zero sucks for many reasons. But at least there is nowhere else to go but up. I don’t know that we have gone up at all or in any appreciable way. Digging a bigger basement (like scheduling weaker competition), does not make your building any taller. At some point there has to be growth and taking what he was given and growing it into something better should have been easy for an above average coach.

It’s insulting to those capable of thinking for themselves.

UNLV will he in better shape soon.

 

[Rebel1986]

Let me provide a few facts regarding the history of Menzies and NMSU to put everything in context:

NMSU is currently ranked #50 by the Massey overall combined ranking and has a 27-4 record with their best win against a better team than UNLV beat and a 3 point loss to Kansas. The best year that Menzies ever had at NMSU was 2014 when the team went 26-10. He took over a team that was 25-9 the year before he coached, and in 8 years he couldn't even reach that plateau.

In the last 3 years that Menzies was coach at NMSU they went 2-10 verse the MWC. One of the excuses is that they could recruit the type of players to beat the MWC but that he did well verse the conference NMSU is part of. The problem is that since he has left the team is 9-0 verse the MWC. Amazing how the next coach has no problems owning the MWC. Menzies would say that it is because the MWC is way down in the last few years, but if this is true, why can't he win in the MWC playing the same type of schedule as NMSU?

The following are the records for the year before Menzies, the years he was coach, and the years since:

2019 27-4 after Menzies
2018 28-6 after Menzies
2017 28-6 after Menzies

2016 23-11 Menzies
2015 23-11 Menzies
2014 26-10 Menzies
2013 24-11 Menzies
2012 26-10 Menzies
2011 16-17 Menzies
2010 22-12 Menzies
2009 17-15 Menzies
2008 21-14 Menzies

2007 25-9 before Menzies

Something becomes very obvious by looking at the records. Menzies could never even reach the level of the program the year before he became coach. Menzies reached his peak at 10-11 loses and never improved after that. Menzies could never beat MWC teams. Menzies was never competitive with good teams outside of the conference.

Since he left the new coach, Chris Jans has shown that Menzies is far outclassed by him as a coach. He has an 83-16 record in 3 years, the team is 9-0 against MWC teams, and they are ranked 50th while UNLV is ranked around #160.

Chris Jans
159-45 at the Junior college level with every team getting better that he took over

Bowling Green History:

He took over the program for only one season and the team went 21-12

2019 Currently the team has about the same record as the one year Jans was coach
2018 16-16 after Jans
2017 13-19 after Jans
2016 16-18 after Jans

2015 21-12 Jans

2014 12-20 before Jans
2013 13-19 before Jans
2012 16-16 before Jans

Funny how the team sucked before he was coach and he took the same team and had a great turn around in a single season, and the year after he left the same team went right back to what they were before he was coach. But, Menzies needs 4-5 years to show improvement?

At this point NMSU went after this coach who is still in his 40's (means he could easily have another 20-25 years) as the way to fix the stalled out program that Menzies was leaving.

Since he has become the head coach at NMSU, they have put all of the years Menzies was coach in the dust.

2019 27-4
2018 28-6
2017 28-6

That is a combined 3 year record of 83-16 and a career record of 263-73

If we want to consider a coach that has shown amazing potential, Chris Jans is that coach who is miles above Menzies and has shown everywhere that he goes that it only takes ONE year to turn a program around!

 

[j. spilotro]

Let me provide a few facts regarding the history of Menzies and NMSU to put everything in context:

NMSU is currently ranked #50 by the Massey overall combined ranking and has a 27-4 record with their best win against a better team than UNLV beat and a 3 point loss to Kansas. The best year that Menzies ever had at NMSU was 2014 when the team went 26-10. He took over a team that was 25-9 the year before he coached, and in 8 years he couldn't even reach that plateau.

In the last 3 years that Menzies was coach at NMSU they went 2-10 verse the MWC. One of the excuses is that they could recruit the type of players to beat the MWC but that he did well verse the conference NMSU is part of. The problem is that since he has left the team is 9-0 verse the MWC. Amazing how the next coach has no problems owning the MWC. Menzies would say that it is because the MWC is way down in the last few years, but if this is true, why can't he win in the MWC playing the same type of schedule as NMSU?

The following are the records for the year before Menzies, the years he was coach, and the years since:

2019 27-4 after Menzies
2018 28-6 after Menzies
2017 28-6 after Menzies

2016 23-11 Menzies
2015 23-11 Menzies
2014 26-10 Menzies
2013 24-11 Menzies
2012 26-10 Menzies
2011 16-17 Menzies
2010 22-12 Menzies
2009 17-15 Menzies
2008 21-14 Menzies

2007 25-9 before Menzies

Something becomes very obvious by looking at the records. Menzies could never even reach the level of the program the year before he became coach. Menzies reached his peak at 10-11 loses and never improved after that. Menzies could never beat MWC teams. Menzies was never competitive with good teams outside of the conference.

Since he left the new coach, Chris Jans has shown that Menzies is far outclassed by him as a coach. He has an 83-16 record in 3 years, the team is 9-0 against MWC teams, and they are ranked 90th while UNLV is ranked around #160.

Chris Jans
159-45 at the Junior college level with every team getting better that he took over

Bowling Green History:

He took over the program for only one season and the team went 21-12

2019 Currently the team has about the same record as the one year Jans was coach
2018 16-16 after Jans
2017 13-19 after Jans
2016 16-18 after Jans

2015 21-12 Jans

2014 12-20 before Jans
2013 13-19 before Jans
2012 16-16 before Jans

Funny how the team sucked before he was coach and he took the same team and had a great turn around in a single season, and the year after he left the same team went right back to what they were before he was coach. But, Menzies needs 4-5 years to show improvement?

At this point NMSU went after this coach who is still in his 40's (means he could easily have another 20-25 years) as the way to fix the stalled out program that Menzies was leaving.

Since he has become the head coach at NMSU, they have put all of the years Menzies was coach in the dust.

2019 27-4
2018 28-6
2017 28-6

That is a combined 3 year record of 83-16 and a career record of 263-73

If we want to consider a coach that has shown amazing potential, Chris Jans is that coach who is miles above Menzies and has shown everywhere that he goes that it only takes ONE year to turn a program around!

Well researched and thought out. So the quality of team was worse when he left than when he arrived and it got better after he left.

Same will occur here.

History repeats itself.