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Remember that season well. Was heavily betting baseball, it was always my favorite sport, the Yankees were my team, they sucked that year, Mattingly was my favorite player. I guess I kind of have an affinity for guys that aren’t super fast or strong or even athletic, guys that are above average in areas but not necessarily amazing … Jeter pops to mind but it tends to happen in baseball more than other sports anyway. But I think that was the same season he broke Dale Long’s record for consecutive games with a home run (8).

I think it was the year prior where Mattingly should have won the MVP - but it went to Cy Young winner Roger Clemens. Don’t get me started with that bs. And I think 86 was the year Boggs sat out the last couple of games of the season so Mattingly couldn’t catch him for the batting title (I think it ended up 357 vs 352). Don’t get me started with that bs wimp move either. Do it like Williams did it when he hit 406. Be a man.
 
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Any baseball players today other than Nolan Ryan that me and my roommate can watch.
 
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I flip between he and Maddux as to who was my favorite pitcher. I was born into Ryan but was raised with Maddux.

Adding a great curve to 100+mph was just unfair!
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We’ve said it before - Greg was a surgeon on the mound. I can’t think of a better way to put it. He overpowered nobody but made everyone but Tony Gwynn look stupid at some point. Such precision, such control, such great late ball movement. I’m convinced you could dangle a dime on a string and he’d hit it 9 of 10 times with every type of pitch in his arsenal.
 
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j. spilotro said:
We’ve said it before - Greg was a surgeon on the mound. I can’t think of a better way to put it. He overpowered nobody but made everyone but Tony Gwynn look stupid at some point. Such precision, such control, such great late ball movement. I’m convinced you could dangle a dime on a string and he’d hit it 9 of 10 times with every type of pitch in his arsenal.
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Maddox fooled batters and Umps alike. Once they started to do so computer tracking towards the end of his career his effectiveness started to wane. Sure his stuff wasn't as good, but I think they also saw on film with the trackers that many of his called strikes were out of the zone.
 
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Maddox fooled batters and Umps alike. Once they started to do so computer tracking towards the end of his career his effectiveness started to wane. Sure his stuff wasn't as good, but I think they also saw on film with the trackers that many of his called strikes were out of the zone.
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I think that’s what happens with strong trends/reputations. A strike on the corner when Boggs or Gwynn have two strikes …. They got the benefit of a tiny doubt … same thing with Maddux. It gets grandfathered because they have a long history.
 
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Analytics! Imagine if the pitchers and the Eighties and nineties had use of that.
 
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They scouted player tendencies and didn't ask to come out after 5 innings. The game was better then.
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Less injuries also. I think steroids has increased injuries. Look at all the players that get injured now. I don't know the stats nor do I follow baseball as much as I used to But that little I follow.I have never seen so many players.Go down with injuries or lingering ones Is over the last twenty years.
 
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Less injuries also. I think steroids has increased injuries. Look at all the players that get injured now. I don't know the stats nor do I follow baseball as much as I used to But that little I follow.I have never seen so many players.Go down with injuries or lingering ones Is over the last twenty years.
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There's way more weight training than there used to be. Look at the players from the 80's and earlier. Not too many buff players. The steroid era hit in the 90's and we started to see more players throwing harder and hitting more HR's. Now, I'm sure there are performance altering supplements (aka steroids or similar) that help, but also just way more attention to weight training.

Most MLB pitchers don't look like Glavine, Maddux, David Cone, etc. There were a handful of more stout pitchers back in those days, like Clemens and Nolan Ryan, but not anywhere close to how they look now.
 
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LVRebel2000 said:
There's way more weight training than there used to be. Look at the players from the 80's and earlier. Not too many buff players. The steroid era hit in the 90's and we started to see more players throwing harder and hitting more HR's. Now, I'm sure there are performance altering supplements (aka steroids or similar) that help, but also just way more attention to weight training.

Most MLB pitchers don't look like Glavine, Maddux, David Cone, etc. There were a handful of more stout pitchers back in those days, like Clemens and Nolan Ryan, but not anywhere close to how they look now.
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one of the things I really liked about baseball … is you didn’t HAVE to be the biggest, the strongest, the fastest to be really good. Typically third baseman, first baseman, catchers and right fielders were the big, strong dudes.

Now it seems that many players are just beasts, sans the middle infield. Not all, but certainly a larger percentage of players, even ARod started to shatter that a bit at shortstop, he was huge for a SS.

Even hockey players are much bigger than they used to be. Football for sure, along with more speed and strength, which makes the sport ridiculously more dangerous, imo. Rules changes and the small equipment changes can’t override force=speed x mass.

Basketball, certainly bigger, stronger and faster, as well.
 
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bcvegaspt said:
Great breakdown!

Makes guys doing it well over the long-term even more amazing.
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It’s the beauty of baseball. The most unique sport ever. Has nothing in common with any other sport. Football, hockey, basketball - same premise. Same number on offense and defense, go length of playing field to score.

Sports are typically well balanced. Baseball, on offense it’s 1 against 8 (9). And that 1 faces the most difficult and precise skill in all of sports.

People don’t have to like the sport, I can understand that. The pace and length of games is unappealing. But if you understand the game, it should at least be appreciated.
 
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406.

And he had 400 locked up going into a double header. He could have done the Wade Boggs thing and rested so he could claim that benchmark. But what did he do? He played and raised his batting average from 400 to 406 with a 6 for 8 performance in the double header. I hate the Red Sox, but that’s a very respectable grown ass man move.
 
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j. spilotro said:
He’s right.

It’s not because of anything physical.

It’s mental.

Entitlement. Coddling.

Pitch counts. The Kawhii whatever load they call it, the fkn Joba rules. Ultra lame. Play the damn game. Competition shouldn’t take contracts or longevity into account.

We’ve pussified everything.
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"We’ve pussified everything."

Absolutely everything!!
 
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j. spilotro said:
He’s right.

It’s not because of anything physical.

It’s mental.

Entitlement. Coddling.

Pitch counts. The Kawhii whatever load they call it, the fkn Joba rules. Ultra lame. Play the damn game. Competition shouldn’t take contracts or longevity into account.

We’ve pussified everything.
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A little of that. I also think it's training. Not to be funny but look at baseball player body types then vs now.

You had a lot of wiry guys. Or corn fed dudes, big husky but not ripped. You didn't have dudes who looked like cross fit instructors like you see today.

Baseball is stand stand stand then explosive movements. (Steal a bag, chase down a fly ball etc)

I almost get the feeling dudes are wound to tight these days.

Could totally be wrong.

Not bashing weight or resistance training. I think it's beneficial. But there can be too much as well.

Muscle car body with Geo Metro internals...
 
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I know you guys are raised on baseball..but I don’t get it.

It’s 99 percent standing around on defense outside in the summer heat with those heavy uniforms.

I get the hand eye coordination when it comes to swinging a bat. Last time I was in a batter’s cage was at Scandia.

You got sports nutrition, PEDS,

Baseball is for very old people.
 
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I know you guys are raised on baseball..but I don’t get it.

It’s 99 percent standing around on defense outside in the summer heat with those heavy uniforms.

I get the hand eye coordination when it comes to swinging a bat. Last time I was in a batter’s cage was at Scandia.

You got sports nutrition, PEDS,

Baseball is for very old people.
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Sir..

Feel free to shut your pie hole at any time.

Sincerely,

Old Guys.
 
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I know you guys are raised on baseball..but I don’t get it.

It’s 99 percent standing around on defense outside in the summer heat with those heavy uniforms.

I get the hand eye coordination when it comes to swinging a bat. Last time I was in a batter’s cage was at Scandia.

You got sports nutrition, PEDS,

Baseball is for very old people.
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I’ve seen you throw a baseball, you forget. The skill level required for baseball is very high. You take it for granted because they make it look easy.

And aside from the skill, the chess like part of the game is appealing to some, like me.

You don’t have to like it. Many don’t.

Let’s play catch. I can promise me you will have difficulty catching my knuckleball thrown at 60 mph let alone hit it. And you’ll think your eyes will be like you took high dose budesonide, feels like they flutter ….

You say baseball is standing around … yet you enjoy (but suck at) golf …. You get about 3 minutes of actual active game activity over 18 holes.
 
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Pitchers do all the work..everyone else stands around.

how is that fair?
 
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