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Tired of these half ass decisions.. There is at least one pivotal call every game that ends up costing us..

Rebels get the ball back with 1:07 @ their 25.. If you aren’t going to make play calls that will get you into field goal range or play aggressive & go for a deep shot.. Then f***ing kneel the ball and take the present lead into half..

Can’t believe these coaches get paid 100’s of thousands, millions (arroyo) a year & make these decisions.. No football IQ at all.. If that fumble comes back to cost us the game, I’m officially putting my name in the hat for him to be out as coach.. Ridiculous!!
 
UNLV your Athletics department is in shambles and you took out the mascot. You deserve every single inch of this embarrassment!
 
I couldn't believe what the **** they were doing...running versus a knee? They are a documentary on what not to do.

Hope the kid is ok after that last sack. Holy hell did he get rocked!
 
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Tired of these half ass decisions.. There is at least one pivotal call every game that ends up costing us..

Rebels get the ball back with 1:07 @ their 25.. If you aren’t going to make play calls that will get you into field goal range or play aggressive & go for a deep shot.. Then f***ing kneel the ball and take the present lead into half..

Can’t believe these coaches get paid 100’s of thousands, millions (arroyo) a year & make these decisions.. No football IQ at all.. If that fumble comes back to cost us the game, I’m officially putting my name in the hat for him to be out as coach.. Ridiculous!!
so is he out? We lost exactly by a TD..
 
it would be nice to

so is he out? We lost exactly by a TD..

Like Coach Arroyo & Staff, you are very narrow sighted.. What happened at the end of the half killed any momentum that we had.. & flat out displayed low IQ..

If you take shots downfield to get into scoring position & a turnover occurs, then so be it, at least the ball is in their territory.. To aimlessly run the ball with no purpose? Mind boggling.. Take a knee at that point.. If you vary in view points on that, I can’t discuss football with you..

& yes, he should be canned at the end of the year, it’s not the first time these type of decisions have cost us.. FWIW I’ve been a big supporter of him (recruiting) thus far, but that sequence further displays the poor leadership that we have..
 
Arroyo has absolutely no feel for game management. Jay is 100 percent correct. If you’re trying to score, throw the ball down the field. If you’re running out the clock, take a knee and be done with the half.

Secondly, fast forward to the end of the game. 3rd and 2 from SJSU’s 11 with no timeouts left and I believe 12 seconds left. I said to my buddy, “You cannot get sacked here. They’re definitely blitzing the edge”. They blitz the edge, nobody picks him up, game over.

Thirdly, when you’re at the game, you see how many times guys don’t know where to line up. Hell in the first half, we got a substitution penalty on 4th and 1 from their 30 because we had 12 men in the huddle. And that penalty was after a timeout. What the heck? Now fortunately we made the 52 yard field goal to get at least some points on the drive. But good teams get 7 there most every time. Average teams get 7 sometimes. Bad teams do what UNLV did.

Arroyo may be a decent recruiter but he is a horror show as a game manager.
 
Arroyo makes $1.5 million a year with free housing, golf membership and vehicles for him and his wife. Let that sink in.
 
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He will stay. There is no winds of change at UNLV in Athletics unless its woke related. Our boy Arroyo will again get another $1.5 from us for winning the toilet bowl vs. UNM.
 
He will stay. There is no winds of change at UNLV in Athletics unless its woke related. Our boy Arroyo will again get another $1.5 from us for winning the toilet bowl vs. UNM.

Lol, Always got to get some of that Woke MAGA Corporate Communism Money! Like the Oxymorons Chump and MTG.
 
Man, I keep sitting down to write this out and get a sentence or two in and just have to start over.

My largest complaints about this team I think can be boiled down to issues with coaching, either in play calling, game management, or detail/discipline of players. I'll try to keep this as short as I can, but I have some spleen to vent.

Offensive Line

The O-line is the most glaring weakness on the team, but it's not just a depth issue (though poor depth is part of it), these guys play like they don't understand their scheme and don't communicate well. The most glaring example was on the last play, you can see the right tackle communicating that there's a blitzer coming from the outside. He identifies and calls it out three times. The problem was the end he was communicating it to was clearly going out on a route there. So the RT completely ignores him and it's a clear path...and the funny thing is the RT doesn't even block anyone, he gets into his drop and guards air. That lack of understanding and communication has been on display all year, and it hasn't gotten better. Whether it's not communicating on or staying home on defending twists/stunts/loops, or letting someone get across your face into a gap on a slant block scheme, we just don't do things well at all. By game 7 you still shouldn't be making the same mistakes and miscommunications that you were in week 1.

Defensive Playcalling/Coaching

The front 7 I feel HAS gotten consistently better throughout the year, though they lose discipline when pass-rushing sometimes--which kills us against a mobile QB. We love to play zone defense with a weird combination of super soft in the 5-15 yard range and then hyper aggression from your cover safeties which open up routes for big chunk plays. While the LBs have been really good at playing the run, watch their zone drops. They are sloppy and end up leaving big parts of the field open over the middle. The flats are almost never covered. And all night we never thought to put a frickin' SPY on the QB when we're dropping zone? Their biggest weapon was the QB keep--just like it's been in ANY game where we faced a QB who can run. We don't change our scheme though.

Offensive Playcalling/Coaching

Our route trees are pretty terrible, and I can't believe that anyone is drawing some of these up before hand--so either our coaching staff loves to put 2-3 guys in the same part of the field against zone coverage where 2 guys can cover 3, our our WRs have option routes and are reading them wrong. Asking a bunch of young WRs and a young QB to have option routes on so many plays is a disaster if that's the plan--but the thing is, I can't really tell. Friel clearly doesn't trust the OLine, as 2-3 times a game he tries to get outside the pocket when the pressure isn't there--of course when you get tattooed 2-3 times a game when you trust the OLine I can understand why that happens. We apparently either don't have a RB that can catch, or completely don't ever throw the ball to any of the RBs which lets teams cheat. There are times where Arroyo gets in a rhythm and I can see that he knows what he's doing. But anytime there comes an important call or decision I just feel like he panics and either goes way to conservative or way too aggressive. Or worse, last night tries to have his cake and eat it too with the 'lets run Chuckwagon on some plays and maybe he can break one' scheme which basically was the turning point in the game.

For the record, I personally hate it when an up and coming offensive coach tries to be the play caller. Very few people have any real success with that. The Head Coach has so much more responsibility that when you're stuck trying to figure out how to game plan offensively when you should be managing the team in all three aspects of the game. I think you can pull it off if you have an experienced staff who you can delegate those things to in game. I just don't think that we are that thing.

You can throw out 2020 as a once in a lifetime weird pandemic thing if you want to, I think in a place like UNLV you almost have to in order to not further blacklist yourself as a place where head coaches come to never coach again. We have been very competitive this season against some good teams, but Arroyo and this team are still finding ways to lose instead of ways to win. We basically have 2 games left this season where we have a puncher's shot at a W, and 3 teams I think are going to take a miracle. Honestly, I expect 0-12 at this point. And that's going to have to make Arroyo's seat at least a little hot going into next year--even though I come from a school where this program needs to give more time than most should need to give in order to turn things around.

The saddest part is with the conference realignment hijinks going on, you couldn't have picked a worse time for the school and the athletic department to lay a big, fat, goose egg in football.
 
Tired of these half ass decisions.. There is at least one pivotal call every game that ends up costing us..

Rebels get the ball back with 1:07 @ their 25.. If you aren’t going to make play calls that will get you into field goal range or play aggressive & go for a deep shot.. Then f***ing kneel the ball and take the present lead into half..

Can’t believe these coaches get paid 100’s of thousands, millions (arroyo) a year & make these decisions.. No football IQ at all.. If that fumble comes back to cost us the game, I’m officially putting my name in the hat for him to be out as coach.. Ridiculous!!
And this is basic stuff. This isn't you have to be Belichick or Saban to make that call. And though it didn't have a large impact the too many men on the field coming off an injury time out, stuff like that reflects poor coaching. Arroyo can recruit but it's clear he can't manage a game.
 
Like Coach Arroyo & Staff, you are very narrow sighted.. What happened at the end of the half killed any momentum that we had.. & flat out displayed low IQ..

If you take shots downfield to get into scoring position & a turnover occurs, then so be it, at least the ball is in their territory.. To aimlessly run the ball with no purpose? Mind boggling.. Take a knee at that point.. If you vary in view points on that, I can’t discuss football with you..

& yes, he should be canned at the end of the year, it’s not the first time these type of decisions have cost us.. FWIW I’ve been a big supporter of him (recruiting) thus far, but that sequence further displays the poor leadership that we have..
" What happened at the end of the half killed any momentum that we had.. & flat out displayed low IQ."

This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We had 1:25 left on the clock. 40 yards to get in field goal range. He's coaching scared - not coaching to win.
 
" What happened at the end of the half killed any momentum that we had.. & flat out displayed low IQ."

This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We had 1:25 left on the clock. 40 yards to get in field goal range. He's coaching scared - not coaching to win.

He handed the ball off to his best player who fumbled.

I'm not enamored with the play calling there.

But.

I always wonder when I read these, had he called a deep pass and it was intercepted and SJSU turned it into seven if all these posts wouldn't be-

'Coach X is an idiot! Why didn't he just run the ball and go into halftime with the lead!'
 
Why would you put the ball into the hands of your best player to run it if you are not trying to score, wouldn't you just take a knee like any average coach would have the QB do?
 
Why would you put the ball into the hands of your best player to run it if you are not trying to score, wouldn't you just take a knee like any average coach would have the QB do?

Purely a guess here..

You see if you can get that initial first down.

I think they had 1:40 left on clock and one time out.

Ran the ball and got 6? (I think) on first down. If he picks up the first down on that second run, clock stops to set ball. They can then go into 'hurry up' mode.

If they don't get the first they bleed the clock on third down, force SJSU to take last time out.

Punt.

Leave SJSU with like 30 seconds and no timeouts and likely bad field position.

Honestly just a guess as to what they may have been thinking.
 
Why would you put the ball into the hands of your best player to run it if you are not trying to score, wouldn't you just take a knee like any average coach would have the QB do?
Eady...because he's never won a game. Like....don't try to rationalize this, dude. Coaches that snatch defeat from the jaws of victory 13 times in a row aren't even on the same planet as you or I in terms of decision-making. Nod your head and smile and wait for it to be over just like you do when the crazies talk to you in the gas station
 
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Purely a guess here..

You see if you can get that initial first down.

I think they had 1:40 left on clock and one time out.

Ran the ball and got 6? (I think) on first down. If he picks up the first down on that second run, clock stops to set ball. They can then go into 'hurry up' mode.

If they don't get the first they bleed the clock on third down, force SJSU to take last time out.

Punt.

Leave SJSU with like 30 seconds and no timeouts and likely bad field position.

Honestly just a guess as to what they may have been thinking.

1:40 left or 2 minutes, different story.. But there was 1:07 on the clock when they started the drive.. Which is why the play calling makes no sense.. 1st play, a dive up the middle, okay.. But then the clock goes under one minute, no timeout used and you run another basic misdirection.. Both runs were basic run packages with no intention of breaking one loose..

There just seemed to be no urgency or intention of driving down the field for a score.. Didn’t make any sense..
 
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1:07 left, Williams ran for 7 yards on 1st down. I personally thought they should hurry and run the next play at that point, but they took their sweet time. Next play, Williams gets the first on a 5 yard run and gets UNLV to less than 30 yards from FG range, again, I was mystified as to why they weren't hurrying still. At that point I figured maybe they'd take a shot at getting closer to FG range, but then they blew my mind and called another run (which was the sole turning point of the game). Made no sense to me (at that point, either take a knee or throw a pass), after the fumble I kinda figured they end up losing.
 
1:40 left or 2 minutes, different story.. But there was 1:07 on the clock when they started the drive.. Which is why the play calling makes no sense.. 1st play, a dive up the middle, okay.. But then the clock goes under one minute, no timeout used and you run another basic misdirection.. Both runs were basic run packages with no intention of breaking one loose..

There just seemed to be no urgency or intention of driving down the field for a score.. Didn’t make any sense..


Ok. That changes things a bit. Some reason I thought it was 1:40.

Chuck got 7 on the first run.

If he picks up the first they still have 40 sec. and a timeout. That would be enough to get in FG range.

Lack of urgency problematic for sure.

Not defending Arroyo, I think some of it has to do with a true freshman at the controls.

You don't want to put him in tough spots.

I will say this, Friel has gotten better each week. Considering how poor the Oline play has been, I think he's shown quite a bit...
 
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1:07 left, Williams ran for 7 yards on 1st down. I personally thought they should hurry and run the next play at that point, but they took their sweet time. Next play, Williams gets the first on a 5 yard run and gets UNLV to less than 30 yards from FG range, again, I was mystified as to why they weren't hurrying still. At that point I figured maybe they'd take a shot at getting closer to FG range, but then they blew my mind and called another run (which was the sole turning point of the game). Made no sense to me (at that point, either take a knee or throw a pass), after the fumble I kinda figured they end up losing.

Jesus, I drank to much yesterday. I thought he fumbled on the second run...
 
I bet if is was a Rebel Defender and the SJSU QB they would have called it ! Just another parallel the Rebels have in common with the Detroit Lions besides both being Winless.

Friel has taken a lot of punishment this season. He's under duress quite a bit.

He's a true freshman and I believe he's just barely 18.

He was an ideal RS candidate that has been thrust into the starting role behind a pretty porous offensive line.

I don't know if he's 'the guy'. But in my opinion he's done enough to make me think he could be a pretty solid starter with another Spring and Fall camp under his belt.
 


The Charles Williams fumble maybe the straw that broke the camel’s back for UNLV Football 2021.
 
He had a thumb thing and then plantar fasciitis.

That slowed him down.

Plus, he may just not be doing well enough in practice to deserve any playing time.

Don't know..
That and Marcus Arroyo seems to be afraid of having a player actually draw some attention to the program...

Tate has been on the field since his injuries, albeit for just one play.
 
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