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I don't have a link but it is linked from the @TheVegasTake Shapiro guy's Twitter. No, I don't agree with or endorse him.

Danny says that Rice's undoing was failing to have great defense. But he puts that on Rice, not Augmon, who he endorses for the HC spot.

DT also pointed out the irony of hiring Pitino since UNLV is a school who ran Tark out over a photo of former players in a hot tub with their AAU coach.

While endorsing Augmon, DT spoke also about how Theus had been owed the position.
 
BleedRebelRed90 said:
I don't have a link but it is linked from the @TheVegasTake Shapiro guy's Twitter. No, I don't agree with or endorse him.

Danny says that Rice's undoing was failing to have great defense. But he puts that on Rice, not Augmon, who he endorses for the HC spot.

DT also pointed out the irony of hiring Pitino since UNLV is a school who ran Tark out over a photo of former players in a hot tub with their AAU coach.

While endorsing Augmon, DT spoke also about how Theus had been owed the position.
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Unfortunately, you can do a parallel look at RT and CSN. Quick look says 46-76 in his four years. And team had an academic scandal which lead to a postseason ban. Yeah, harder to recruit there, this and that, but it's been an awfully weak schedule and his conference mates have the same challenges - and it's not like there is a juggernaut ranked team in the BWC. The CSN KenPom, RPI, etc is always south of 250. So he's done terribly there, though I don't know the circumstances. But every school has circumstances. You do what you can with what you have and prove yourself. He hasn't.

Would he have done better here than there? He couldn't have worse. Would he have fared better than Rice? I doubt it, given what I've heard from those that worked with him. He's NBA, not college.
 
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BleedRebelRed90 said:
I don't have a link but it is linked from the @TheVegasTake Shapiro guy's Twitter. No, I don't agree with or endorse him.

Danny says that Rice's undoing was failing to have great defense. But he puts that on Rice, not Augmon, who he endorses for the HC spot.

DT also pointed out the irony of hiring Pitino since UNLV is a school who ran Tark out over a photo of former players in a hot tub with their AAU coach.

While endorsing Augmon, DT spoke also about how Theus had been owed the position.
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Different times, different people. I think we have to focus on what's best for the University and the program. Enough with all the personal agenda's. DT pushing for Augmon is nothing but personal. We need an experienced hire... no excuses.
 
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Different times, different people. I think we have to focus on what's best for the University and the program. Enough with all the personal agenda's. DT pushing for Augmon is nothing but personal. We need an experienced hire... no excuses.
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Totally agree.
 
That idiot who was running unlv then is long gone Danny. DT has given so many jabs at UNLV the past 25 years. YES it sucks what the NCAA and a jealous school president did to Tark but, UNLV and the community that supports the team made Tark a wealthy man. The community adored him and still does. DT just seems to focus on the negatives and remains very bitter. It is all personal for DT. The community never turned their back on Tark and those at UNLV now had nothing to do with it.
 
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As some facts in regards to our defense. We are ranked 21 and 38 respectively.

http://kenpom.com/index.php

Looking at this data, our offense is the problem not defense. Now, that being said, all Tark teams even though they put up massive numbers, did so because of their defense, not offense. I spoke to Jackie Robinson and he said they had 1 half court play, everything else was run and gun. They won because of defense, not offense.

I would like to submit further evidence that defense matters in Exibit B, as B for Broncos. No offense, won anyways.

So in regards to DT comments, first we have a good defense bordering top 25. I don't have any data, but I hope he is saying we should be #1 in defense. But, that is only if we commit to playing Tark Basketball. If that is the case and that is what we want, then where are you going to find the next Sith? Probably look to the apprentices or those who attended the Jedi academy...or who at least built a light saber or two with Tark. Anyway, probably blew the analogy as my Star Wars knowledge runs not deep you say.

If we get Archie or Pitino we are playing their basketball, not Tark ball. It will be different, but if we win we will like it.

If we don't, I'm for giving SA a chance.
 
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Sounds like DT is talking our of his a** and pushing his own agenda.

You can't say the problem was the defense, which the stats disagree with, and then say you want the guy running the defense deserves to get the job.

Personally, I don't think you can say offesne was the problem or defense was the problem. To me the problem was the incidentals. Things like staying motivated, making smart plays, taking charges, making the big plays when they counted, etc.

We just haven't been a smart basketball team in awhile. Not only have we not been a smart team, you can actually say we have been a mentally handicapped team.
 
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About Mentally Handicapped:

In regards to Luck... We are ranked 343 out of 351. We pretty much have no luck. Maybe it has to do with Hall, injuries, coach, etc. So luck I imagine is when they can't explain. It's the X factor. If a team over achieves, the it is more lucky. If it under achieves then it is unlucky. So, on paper we should be much better than the record shows...extremely unlucky. But it is hard to quantify and thus it is referred to as Luck or in our case bad luck.
 
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About Mentally Handicapped:

In regards to Luck... We are ranked 343 out of 351. We pretty much have no luck. Maybe it has to do with Hall, injuries, coach, etc. So luck I imagine is when they can't explain. It's the X factor. If a team over achieves, the it is more lucky. If it under achieves then it is unlucky. So, on paper we should be much better than the record shows...extremely unlucky. But it is hard to quantify and thus it is referred to as Luck or in our case bad luck.
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Luck is a metric based on close games. Ideally, the team wouldn't need a single ounce of luck if they put the game out of reach earlier. In Dave Hall games, throw luck out the door and call it a red line.
 
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BleedRebelRed90 said:
I don't have a link but it is linked from the @TheVegasTake Shapiro guy's Twitter. No, I don't agree with or endorse him.

Danny says that Rice's undoing was failing to have great defense. But he puts that on Rice, not Augmon, who he endorses for the HC spot.

DT also pointed out the irony of hiring Pitino since UNLV is a school who ran Tark out over a photo of former players in a hot tub with their AAU coach.

While endorsing Augmon, DT spoke also about how Theus had been owed the position.
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Well Danny feels he is "owed" public office as well. Voters continue to disagree. 5 times, last I checked.
 
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Unfortunately, you can do a parallel look at RT and CSN. Quick look says 46-76 in his four years. And team had an academic scandal which lead to a postseason ban. Yeah, harder to recruit there, this and that, but it's been an awfully weak schedule and his conference mates have the same challenges - and it's not like there is a juggernaut ranked team in the BWC. The CSN KenPom, RPI, etc is always south of 250. So he's done terribly there, though I don't know the circumstances. But every school has circumstances. You do what you can with what you have and prove yourself. He hasn't.

Would he have done better here than there? He couldn't have worse. Would he have fared better than Rice? I doubt it, given what I've heard from those that worked with him. He's NBA, not college.
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Theus took a 13-win program nobody knows exists. Rice got UNLV which had been to 4 NCAA dances and a Swt 16 prior to his arrival, with a brand new Mendenhall Center.

Maybe Theus would have done nothing in Vegas. Or maybe he could have. We'll never know.. Look what he did at New Mexico State, that was something. His jersey hangs in the T&M and he has a legacy in Vegas and plenty of UNLV stories he could have sold to recruits. It's a stark contrast from the CSN situation.

Regardless of divisive opinions on this matter, it would have been interesting to see (in person) Theus coach in Vegas. Speculation is all we have which people on here and on campus will take either direction, whereas Rice proved he was as poor of a hire UNLV could have made by successfully derailing the program. Theus aside, Rice showed us he was awful.
 
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Theus took a 13-win program nobody knows exists. Rice got UNLV which had been to 4 NCAA dances and a Swt 16 prior to his arrival, with a brand new Mendenhall Center.

Maybe Theus would have done nothing in Vegas. Or maybe he could have. We'll never know.. Look what he did at New Mexico State, that was something. His jersey hangs in the T&M and he has a legacy in Vegas and plenty of UNLV stories he could have sold to recruits. It's a stark contrast from the CSN situation.

Regardless of divisive opinions on this matter, it would have been interesting to see (in person) Theus coach in Vegas. Speculation is all we have which people on here and on campus will take either direction, whereas Rice proved he was as poor of a hire UNLV could have made by successfully derailing the program. Theus aside, Rice showed us he was awful.
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Awful is hyperbole. He'd rank as third best at UNLV. If we are going to use hyperbole, it's easy to say Dantley Walker was the worst scholarship player in the history of UNLV. Afterall, the guy can't even make the tiniest dent in D2 yet people here were claiming he should be playing, even starting, that he was a savior, look at the state record! ... Difference is my hyperbole is far closer to the truth than yours.

But what Reggie has done at CSN is truly awful. That's not being spiteful. He has not improved a program that was an inch above rock bottom. He took them even lower, which nobody thought was possible. I thought he'd be successful. Simple league, very low competition. He's proven to be a lousy hire and that is at a 300 RPI/Sag/Kenpom school. But we are magically supposed to disregard his years at CCSN (and his scandals) and point to one decent year at NMSU and extrapolate from that how he would have done here? Ok. Got it.

The inherent pitfalls at UNLV and the culture along with the kids UNLV attracts - if he got CCSN on probation, I can't imagine what would have happened here.... RT would have had plenty of people "against" him here (just like any other coach)... If "renegade" kids aren't behaving for him at CCSN, Las Vegas would eat them alive.... But it doesn't matter. He wouldn't have been considered anyway. But his tenure at CCSN made sure that he will never be considered.

Just win, right? He's doing it at about a 45% clip over his career.

With what you state, I expect you are on the Augmon bandwagon then, no? Would be hypocritical not to be. Rafters, NCAA champion, NBA... And he doesn't have the negative of demonstrating that he's a sub 500 D1 coach with NCAA issues...
 
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Awful is hyperbole. He'd rank as third best at UNLV. If we are going to use hyperbole, it's easy to say Dantley Walker was the worst scholarship player in the history of UNLV. Afterall, the guy can't even make the tiniest dent in D2 yet people here were claiming he should be playing, even starting, that he was a savior, look at the state record! ... Difference is my hyperbole is far closer to the truth than yours.

But what Reggie has done at CSN is truly awful. That's not being spiteful. He has not improved a program that was an inch above rock bottom. He took them even lower, which nobody thought was possible. I thought he'd be successful. Simple league, very low competition. He's proven to be a lousy hire and that is at a 300 RPI/Sag/Kenpom school. But we are magically supposed to disregard his years at CCSN (and his scandals) and point to one decent year at NMSU and extrapolate from that how he would have done here? Ok. Got it.

The inherent pitfalls at UNLV and the culture along with the kids UNLV attracts - if he got CCSN on probation, I can't imagine what would have happened here.... RT would have had plenty of people "against" him here (just like any other coach)... If "renegade" kids aren't behaving for him at CCSN, Las Vegas would eat them alive.... But it doesn't matter. He wouldn't have been considered anyway. But his tenure at CCSN made sure that he will never be considered.

Just win, right? He's doing it at about a 45% clip over his career.

With what you state, I expect you are on the Augmon bandwagon then, no? Would be hypocritical not to be. Rafters, NCAA champion, NBA... And he doesn't have the negative of demonstrating that he's a sub 500 D1 coach with NCAA issues...
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Haha. I thought you already outlawed discussion on Dantley Walker? I'm not touching that one.

I don't get your point with Reggie. What he's done at CSN is a separate scenario from the opportunity Rice inherited at UNLV, and speculation on what Reggie would or would not have done at UNLV doesn't sugarcoat Rice's failures (at UNLV).

Hyperbole?? I could create a line graph chart depicting the Rice era and it would show an arrow going straight down....wins, fan attendance, conference standings, etc.

It's interesting how those still giving Rice the benefit of doubt, despite his actual showing at UNLV, are the same folks quick to discredit others on speculation. Again, Reggie never coached at UNLV so nobody knows. We know exactly what Rice did. Big difference.

It's funny how much love Pitino is getting on here considering how people dismissed and vilified Reggie as being too scandalous.
 
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Haha. I thought you already outlawed discussion on Dantley Walker? I'm not touching that one.

I don't get your point with Reggie. What he's done at CSN is a separate scenario from the opportunity Rice inherited at UNLV, and speculation on what Reggie would or would not have done at UNLV doesn't sugarcoat Rice's failures (at UNLV).

Hyperbole?? I could create a line graph chart depicting the Rice era and it would show an arrow going straight down....wins, fan attendance, conference standings, etc.

It's interesting how those still giving Rice the benefit of doubt, despite his actual showing at UNLV, are the same folks quick to discredit others on speculation. Again, Reggie never coached at UNLV so nobody knows. We know exactly what Rice did. Big difference.

It's funny how much love Pitino is getting on here considering how people dismissed and vilified Reggie as being too scandalous.
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Whether you want to dismiss it or not as bs is your choice. There are things that just wouldn't click with RT. That's my opinion which is based on people who are very intimate with RT. Let's just say he's an NBA guy, likes the 94 feet between the lines. Everything outside of that is a trivial nuisance, you are free to do what you want, just don't bother him with it. Again, not from me.

As far as RP, I'm far from Enamored, doesn't matter to me one way or another. I don't have a problem with the scandals really, but I can see where some people do. And that's fine. Lots of people have them, some get caught if you catch my drift. It's a bad look, I agree. But to me, it's about winning.

I'm fine if the RP thing pans out. I'm not going to cry if it doesn't. Lots of good coaches out there. The program isn't sunk without him. UNLV will get a good hire that the vast majority are happy with. Doesn't HAVE to be Pitino.
 
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Well Danny feels he is "owed" public office as well. Voters continue to disagree. 5 times, last I checked.
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Danny Tarkanian is one of the biggest Jerks I have ever met. The company I worked for was providing some services to his company and I was excited to meet him. I tried to introduce myself and he wouldn't even look up to acknowledge me. He wonders why he never gets Las Vegas to elect him. Who cares what he has to say about basketball. Stop riding your dads coattails your irrelevant.
 
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