Conference Realignment Article Says UNLV Might Go To Pac 12

[charleshustle]

Talks about four 16-team power conferences with some teams coming and going from the majors based on the size of their cities and fan followings. A little out there, but also pretty interesting.

http://www.thechaosindex.com/cest-l...-to-change-a-whole-lot-more-than-you-realize/

 

[Sam-I-am]

Talks about four 16-team power conferences with some teams coming and going from the majors based on the size of their cities and fan followings. A little out there, but also pretty interesting.

http://www.thechaosindex.com/cest-l...-to-change-a-whole-lot-more-than-you-realize/

I do think it is the future of college football but I definitely hope that each conference splits into only two 8 team divisions rather than the pro influenced 4 divisions in each conference.

UNLV is the best fit for the PAC. Now is the time to build our infrastructure so it's an easy sell to the PAC now that the vast majority of the anti-UNLV factions in the PAC have either passed away or have fallen out of favor. It really can be done if we properly set our minds to it.

 

[Gator 82]

Pretty sure Westgate made this statement just over a week or so ago. Hmmm, maybe there is some fire to go with that smoke.

 

[Rebel1986]

I don't think the article has very good legs when it still plays up BSU. They are not a top level football program anymore, they are a very small market, etc. I find it unlikely that at this point one of the big conferences would even consider them over SDSU. Football is king and recently SDSU is the best in both football and basketball in the conference so would be an easy pick over BSU. The article mentions how the San Diego market is mostly owned by pack 12 schools, but ignores the fact that even 10-15% of that market is better than the Boise market.

 

[Sam-I-am]

I don't think the article has very good legs when it still plays up BSU. They are not a top level football program anymore, they are a very small market, etc. I find it unlikely that at this point one of the big conferences would even consider them over SDSU. Football is king and recently SDSU is the best in both football and basketball in the conference so would be an easy pick over BSU. The article mentions how the San Diego market is mostly owned by pack 12 schools, but ignores the fact that even 10-15% of that market is better than the Boise market.

Good points but the problem with SDSU is that USC, UCLA, ASU and Zona don't want the recruiting and fan competition in SD that SDSU would bring. Even distant PAC schools like CO, Utah, the Ducks, etc need to pull out recruits from SD and making SDSU a part of the conference isn't likely to increase TV coverage that much. The one thing it does have over BSU is that it has a higher national rank in academics with a USA Today rank of 149th in the nation while BSU doesn't even make the Second Tier nationally and is only 61st in the Western Region. That is important to the PAC.

 

[bcvegaspt]

Good points but the problem with SDSU is that USC, UCLA, ASU and Zona don't want the recruiting and fan competition in SD that SDSU would bring. Even distant PAC schools like CO, Utah, the Ducks, etc need to pull out recruits from SD and making SDSU a part of the conference isn't likely to increase TV coverage that much. The one thing it does have over BSU is that it has a higher national rank in academics with a USA Today rank of 149th in the nation while BSU doesn't even make the Second Tier nationally and is only 61st in the Western Region. That is important to the PAC.

Wouldn't the PAC not want us for the same reason they wouldn't want SDSU? They aren't lacking in our market at all.

 

[Rebel1986]

You are looking at this as the PAC12 control everything. How much damage could the Big12 do in the long run to the PAC12 if they came into the market of SDSU and UNLV. It may take a few years but they would slowly squeeze out the PAC12 schools. With the exception of those who went to the PAC12 schools, most people prefer to either follow the program where they went to school or the program where they grew up. The LV market has not been tapped by the PAC12. All you need to do is look at the TV ratings of the PAC12 in the LV market an you will see they are small time compared to the overall potential LV tv market.

When UNLV was at the top in basketball they dominated the entire market including LA even over UCLA. If the Pac12 passes on these schools it will be an opportunity for the Big12 to increase their footprint and TV market. The big question is if UNLV can move the football program forward quick enough to make UNLV and SDSU a nice package deal either for the Big12, or the PAC12 if they decide they do not want to risk losing two of the bigger markets on the west coast.

I have no doubt that UNLV football is not big time in our own market now, but I fully expect that to change in the next 3-5 years if Sanchez can move his vision forward.

 

[LasVegasReb]

I don't think the article has very good legs when it still plays up BSU. They are not a top level football program anymore, they are a very small market, etc. I find it unlikely that at this point one of the big conferences would even consider them over SDSU. Football is king and recently SDSU is the best in both football and basketball in the conference so would be an easy pick over BSU. The article mentions how the San Diego market is mostly owned by pack 12 schools, but ignores the fact that even 10-15% of that market is better than the Boise market.

Boise may not have the television sets but they have a strong brand and the eyeballs across the country to prove. If this was not true, they would not have a guaranteed contract with ESPN.

 

[Rebel1986]

Popularity of teams is based on what you have done for me recently and BSU is not the same team anymore. They lost to Air Force the last two years and a 9-4 record this year and 8-5 two years before that with a good year in between has seen their brand drop in popularity. BSU became popular based on only losing 1-2 games a year while playing an easy schedule (they would win every one of these games) with a couple of good teams mixed in which they would win many of the times.

BSU is now losing to teams like Air Force (2 years in a row), New Mexico. The four teams that BSU lost to this year had a combined record of 30-23. NIU with an 8-6 record is the best team they beat.

Brigham Young was the only team they played with less than 6 loses and they lost to them.

 

[Sam-I-am]

Wouldn't the PAC not want us for the same reason they wouldn't want SDSU? They aren't lacking in our market at all.

They are lacking in our market and it will continue to grow. It also geographically connects Colorado and Utah to all of the PAC schools.

 

[Sam-I-am]

You are looking at this as the PAC12 control everything. How much damage could the Big12 do in the long run to the PAC12 if they came into the market of SDSU and UNLV. .... .

I actually am looking at this as how the PAC "could" control everything that would concern us. They need to block out the Big 12 regionally from the Pacific Coast. Adding NV & NM effectively does that and they add two of the major growth States in TV. The Big 12 will look desperately moronic if they have to jump over two states to the west to get into any California market to become the only conference with a team in the East, Central and Pacific time zones. The money won't be worth it to them and particularly the whorns who own the Big 12.

And, while not particularly on point, as a long time Rebel fan and an even longer Husker fan, I can assure you that the last thing UNLV needs is to join the Big 12. The Big 8 saved the whorns' conference and particularly the whorns when they were going down the toilet. What happened right after that was the whorns bought everyone off but Nebraska and took over the entire operations of the Big 12. They would make UNLV their bitch in a Texas second and we would never be able to reach our potential.

 

[Sam-I-am]

Popularity of teams is based on what you have done for me recently and BSU is not the same team anymore. ... .

The brand value of BSU has far more to do with just what has happened recently. It's a FAR greater national brand than UNLV in football and Idaho has very significant TV growth potential. That being said, the PAC would be far better off taking UNLV and NM as it's next step to become the PAC 14. It would lock up the West with it's current population and the great future growth. Then the PAC 14 could be extremely selective as to who would be the final two if they decided to go to 16. JMHO.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Boise academics are not good enough for a tier one program.

Boise State Class schedule looks something like this.

7:00 AM- Introduction to words 101
9:00 AM- Numbers 101
10:00 AM- History of yesterday
2:00 PM- Places on the Map 101


This was why the medical school was such a huge thing for UNLV in obtaining Tier 1 status. It is just as important as a new stadium, for any potential move to a P5 conference.

 

[bcvegaspt]

Boise academics are not good enough for a tier one program.

Boise State Class schedule looks something like this.

7:00 AM- Introduction to words 101
9:00 AM- Numbers 101
10:00 AM- History of yesterday
2:00 PM- Places on the Map 101


This was why the medical school was such a huge thing for UNLV in obtaining Tier 1 status. It is just as important as a new stadium, for any potential move to a P5 conference.

That class schedule helped me become who I am today...

By the way, good thing I was alone when I read it. I let out a loud, dorky laugh.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

That class schedule helped me become who I am today...

By the way, good thing I was alone when I read it. I let out a loud, dorky laugh.

Thats why I never finished college. Words and numbers are hard enough. When they started putting the two together, I was like 'I'm out'

 

[karaoke_jesus]

Hey, don't be talking smack about History of Yesterday. My professor in that class was a fantastic (semi) human being.

 

[RRRRebels]

Boise academics are not good enough for a tier one program.

Boise State Class schedule looks something like this.

7:00 AM- Introduction to words 101
9:00 AM- Numbers 101
10:00 AM- History of yesterday
2:00 PM- Places on the Map 101


This was why the medical school was such a huge thing for UNLV in obtaining Tier 1 status. It is just as important as a new stadium, for any potential move to a P5 conference.

We've got a loooooong way to go academically as well. Certainly not as far as Boise but it could be 10 years before we hit Tier 1.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

We've got a loooooong way to go academically as well. Certainly not as far as Boise but it could be 10 years before we hit Tier 1.

Without a doubt. The medical school helps. It certainly speeds up the process.

 

[Sam-I-am]

We've got a loooooong way to go academically as well. Certainly not as far as Boise but it could be 10 years before we hit Tier 1.

We don't have to be a Tier 1 National University for the PAC to take us. Just being recognized as a Tier 2 National University rather than a Regional University like BSU gets us in the door well ahead of them. Seeing the med school in writing will get us to the negotiating table because that is likely to get us into the Top 200 [Tier 1] rather quickly where we'll be close to schools like Wazzu and Or State.

 

[dcut03]

I do think it is the future of college football but I definitely hope that each conference splits into only two 8 team divisions rather than the pro influenced 4 divisions in each conference.

UNLV is the best fit for the PAC. Now is the time to build our infrastructure so it's an easy sell to the PAC now that the vast majority of the anti-UNLV factions in the PAC have either passed away or have fallen out of favor. It really can be done if we properly set our minds to it.

I see what you are saying. We need to create a Rebel net based hit squad to "take care" of the PAC 12 detractors. wink, wink

 

[LVRebel2000]

Hey, don't be talking smack about History of Yesterday. My professor in that class was a fantastic (semi) human being.

What get's really difficult is when you pass that class and get into the "history of tomorrow".

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

What get's really difficult is when you pass that class and get into the "history of tomorrow".

Nice..

 

[Sam-I-am]

I see what you are saying. We need to create a Rebel net based hit squad to "take care" of the PAC 12 detractors. wink, wink

It's the Vegas way