Composite Class Ratings

[Bullmastiff 1]

All of my examples were like UNLV is now. Wilkensen, The Bear, Devaney & Bowden built those powerhouses when they took over. I should also add Joe Paterno at State Penn. When they took over, those programs were similar to where UNLV is right now. That was the point of naming them plus Frost and Brown.

Now I'm still waiting. Once again, I gave you a full list that extends back into the 50s going up to today. Please name a HC who was fired from a prominent Power 5 type program like UCLA because he failed to rebuild that program, was fired by two NFL teams and then built a winning program that was similar to what UNLV is right now. I would love to see who that is.

Also, please provide a list of former NFL HCs who took over programs like UNLV and built them into what we want UNLV to become. I look forward to seeing your list.

He went to two bowl games.

Went 46-30.

2-2 in bowl games.

Won the NFC South in the NFL.

Was a disaster in Seattle. No argument.

The resume holds up in comparison to current and previous UNLV coaching hires.

Now please provide a list of HS coaches that made the jump from HS to D1.

If it was a Sanchez vs Mora only debate. No money/facility being dangled over the university's head.

It's not even a debate.

 

[Sam-I-am]

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The resume holds up in comparison to current and previous UNLV coaching hires....

LOL. So you're still avoiding the point on improving our rating and now it's fine with you that we just keep doing what we are doing.

The fact that you would say that Mora holds up in comparison to previous UNLV coaching hires hits the nail right on the head. If TS is being replaced, then it's time for UNLV to pull its head out and hire the right type of HC which isn't a HC who was fired as a HC 3 times at very good jobs, including twice in the NFL and at UCLA with all of its advantages over UNLV.

Now. Back to my last question to you. Where did I ever say that improving our recruiting rating would happen over night?

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Let's revisit my OP where I began with >

So I'm happy that you agree.

Please tell me where I said that it would happen over night.

The tenor of your post was dismissive of Boise State's recruiting ranking. As if it was easily achievable. 'I would hope we'

How else was one supposed to read that?


They're only 50th! We could totally achieve that in (insert lots of) years! Seems an odd stance.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

LOL. So you're still avoiding the point on improving our rating and now it's fine with you that we just keep doing what we are doing.

The fact that you would say that Mora holds up in comparison to previous UNLV coaching hires hits the nail right on the head. If TS is being replaced, then it's time for UNLV to pull its head out and hire the right type of HC which isn't a HC who was fired as a HC 3 times at very good jobs, including twice in the NFL and at UCLA with all of its advantages over UNLV.

Now. Back to my last question to you. Where did I ever say that improving our recruiting rating would happen over night?

He won bowl games.
Had a winning record at a P-5 school as a HC.
He won the NFC South.

That's easily better than Sanford. Probably better than Hauck. Better than Nunnley.

I responded to your question. I'll say it again. Your post was dismissive of Boise and their 50th ranked recruiting class. Nobody writes 'I would hope we could match Boise!' I'm pretty sure your stance isn't 'Their only 50th! We should totally be able to achieve that! In half a

Now back to my multiple questions you fail to answer.

1) Name a HS coach that went directly to D1 and had success. None. So Mora would have been no more risky than Sanchez.

2) With a new facility and stadium how would the next coach (should a change be necessary), be building from the ground up. What changes need to be made?

 

[Sam-I-am]

The tenor of your post was dismissive of Boise State's recruiting ranking. As if it was easily achievable. 'I would hope we'....

Wait. You don't think our initial target is to compete for the MWC title?
No it was NOT dismissive of BSU. They are where we need to get too.
Yes. I hope we can get up to them. In fact, I hope we can get above them. Did I say or even imply that it would be over night? NO! I did not!

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Wait. You don't think our initial target is to compete for the MWC title?
No it was NOT dismissive of BSU. They are where we need to get too.
Yes. I hope we can get up to them. In fact, I hope we can get above them. Did I say or even imply that it would be over night? NO! I did not!

'Recruiting near the level of Boise State is unrealistic with the new facilities and stadium?
Lol. Boise State is barely 50th in the nation in recruit rating for the 2019 class. Oh lord no we shouldn't spend the money to land a class that's 50th in the nation'


Doesn't read like:

'That is a lofty perch I would hope that we could one day achieve through many years of hard work.'

'LOL, Boise State is barely 50th'

Doesn't sound dismissive?

'Barely 50th!'

When you are the only Non P5 school in the top 50 I don't think 'barely' applies...

It reads as if we just need to chuck a couple more bucks at it...

Of course we should be attempting to compete with MWC schools. We are in the conference, and hopefully duplicate if not surpass all of them.

I would just refrain from 'Lol'ing' about the 50th ranked recruiting class in the nation until we get in the top 100 though..

 

[j. spilotro]

'Recruiting near the level of Boise State is unrealistic with the new facilities and stadium?
Lol. Boise State is barely 50th in the nation in recruit rating for the 2019 class. Oh lord no we shouldn't spend the money to land a class that's 50th in the nation'


Doesn't read like:

'That is a lofty perch I would hope that we could one day achieve through many years of hard work.'

'LOL, Boise State is barely 50th'

Doesn't sound dismissive?

'Barely 50th!'

When you are the only Non P5 school in the top 50 I don't think 'barely' applies...

It reads as if we just need to chuck a couple more bucks at it...

Of course we should be attempting to compete with MWC schools. We are in the conference, and duplicate if not surpass all of them.

I would just refrain from 'Lol'ing' about the 50th ranked recruiting class in the nation until we get in the top 100..

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[Bullmastiff 1]

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And some CAPS!

 

[Sam-I-am]

'Recruiting near the level of Boise State is unrealistic with the new facilities and stadium?
Lol. Boise State is barely 50th in the nation in recruit rating for the 2019 class. Oh lord no we shouldn't spend the money to land a class that's 50th in the nation'
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LOL!
You need to work on your use of the quote feature...and you may want to work on your reading comprehension while you're at it.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

LOL!
You need to work on your use of the quote feature...and you may want to work on your reading comprehension while you're at it.

Work on the quote feature? I used it.

That is word for word what you wrote.

Explain 'Lol Boise State is barely 50'.

Isn't 50 pretty good for a Non P5 school? Barely seems an odd choice of words.

I'm struggling to see how that isn't dismissive of having the 50th ranked class? When you're the only non P5 school in the top 50 'barely' doesn't really work there.

'Oh lord no we shouldn't spend the money to land a class that's 50th in the nation'

Now? Next year? 5 years from now?

Sounds a lot like just chucking money at it would get us there....

 

[karaoke_jesus]

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[Bullmastiff 1]

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[karaoke_jesus]

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F THE CAPS!!

 

[RebelinWA]

Money sources aren’t the issue. Las Vegas has plenty of money.
I think our biggest problem is that we have a fractured booster base thats filled with too many egos. Everyone agrees that UNLV could be better, but everyone gets offended and goes home when their plan for making UNLV great again isn’t selected.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Money sources aren’t the issue. Las Vegas has plenty of money.
I think our biggest problem is that we have a fractured booster base thats filled with too many egos. Everyone agrees that UNLV could be better, but everyone gets offended and goes home when their plan for making UNLV great again isn’t selected.

A lot of hundredthousandaires but nobody besides the Fertitta's with 'Blank you' money...

 

[Sam-I-am]

Money sources aren’t the issue. Las Vegas has plenty of money.
I think our biggest problem is that we have a fractured booster base thats filled with too many egos. Everyone agrees that UNLV could be better, but everyone gets offended and goes home when their plan for making UNLV great again isn’t selected.

Well said. It's up to the administration to get that finally fixed but the boosters need to buy into what they're selling. It's just not easy in Las Vegas.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Well said. It's up to the administration to get that finally fixed but the boosters need to buy into what they're selling. It's just not easy in Las Vegas.

Fix it how is the question. And you're right it's not easy here. It's better, but still not easy.

Not taking a shot at Sanchez here, but they have to show something on the field.

Rich dudes don't just throw money around unless they have deep ties to a school or coach.

We don't have a lot of big money alumni vs other schools.

There's money in town, but not a lot of it has ties to UNLV.

This next take won't be especially popular with some but....

When the arms race in college sports really began, schools started investing heavily in football. Utah, TCU, even more traditional basketball schools like Louisville started pumping big money into football. Hell Kansas spent big money to bring in Charlie Weis (mistake but there was an effort).

Around that time the Mendenhall Center was built for basketball. I've always wondered if things would be different if that money had instead been used for a new football facility. (Not suggesting the Mendenhall center was a mistake for basketball, just that football needed it far worse).

Hauck struggled here. But would it have been as bad with a new facility? The guy was 80-17 at Montana with two title game appearances. Even if he ultimately didn't get it done, you have a facility in place and the job is more appealing.

Again, not taking a shot at Sanchez here, but if the facility is already done, would UNLV be inclined to take a gamble on him? Or even need to? I don't know. But let's be honest, Sanchez' hiring had a lot to do with his ability to bring in some much needed money, not because he kicked the crap out of Spring Valley HS 79-3. UNLV was way behind in terms of facilities. I think if you already have a facility in place you probably hire a guy like June Jones or Houston Nutt (both rumored to be interested at the time) vs Sanchez. Jones was able to get some things done in Hawaii and to a lesser degree SMU.

At the very least there aren't the growing pains we've seen with Sanchez.

 

[Sam-I-am]

Fix it how is the question. And you're right it's not easy here. It's better, but still not easy.

Not taking a shot at Sanchez here, but they have to show something on the field....

Winning is necessary but before that happens, the administration must be on board before then. Without the proper support by the administration, it won't matter. Tark built a dynasty but Maxon and his cronies destroyed it.

June Jones and Huston Nutt would be a massive waste of money. UNLV isn't a former National Champion like Arkansas or swamped with local talent like Arkansas or SMU. Enough of this loser mentality of hiring a loser as the next HC. If TS is gone, get the next young Wilkinsen who was 31 years old when he took over the then hapless Sooners, the next Scott Frost, Brown, etc.

Speaking of Tark, how old was he when he built his first power program out of nothing? Barely 38 years old is the answer.

 

[Sam-I-am]

Money sources aren’t the issue. Las Vegas has plenty of money.
I think our biggest problem is that we have a fractured booster base thats filled with too many egos. Everyone agrees that UNLV could be better, but everyone gets offended and goes home when their plan for making UNLV great again isn’t selected.

Quite true. Fortunately, many of the big egos with money who feel that way are fading away. UNLV needs to bury those old skeletons and target the community differently now. A good way to start in a manner that would help with the administration and school staff would be to allow employees of UNLV to bring their underaged children for free. Also let students bring one under-aged sibling for free. Tickets for underaged children of season ticket holders should also get in free. Build the fan base for the future by starting with the kids and the parents will come along.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Winning is necessary but before that happens, the administration must be on board before then. Without the proper support by the administration, it won't matter. Tark built a dynasty but Maxon and his cronies destroyed it.

June Jones and Huston Nutt would be a massive waste of money. UNLV isn't a former National Champion like Arkansas or swamped with local talent like Arkansas or SMU. Enough of this loser mentality of hiring a loser as the next HC. If TS is gone, get the next young Wilkinsen who was 31 years old when he took over the then hapless Sooners, the next Scott Frost, Brown, etc.

Speaking of Tark, how old was he when he built his first power program out of nothing? Barely 38 years old is the answer.

1) I didn't say I wanted those guys now.

2) They were both interested at the time.

3) In the hypothetical world where the Mendenhall Center was instead built for football, both would have been better options based on experience at the D1 level than Sanchez. Or are you going to argue that? Jones had some decent success at Hawaii who has similar budget constraints. Or am I misremembering him busting the BCS? He also got SMU back to respectability after they got off the death penalty.

 

[willlevi]

29 local high school players signed with FBS & FCS schools last week and 6 more to D2 schools with more likely to come

2018 saw 27 players sign FBS & FCS with 15 to D2 schools producing 18 immediate contributors with 8 earning starts

2017 saw 19 players sign FBS & FCS with 18 to D2 schools producing 22 immediate contributors with 8 starters

With this excluding the greater Nevada. Nevada is also the state that has least number of college football programs (2) in mainland America.
Las Vegas also has the two of the top football programs in America.
UNLV does not sit in a football talent wasteland.

Winning is necessary but before that happens, the administration must be on board before then. Without the proper support by the administration, it won't matter. Tark built a dynasty but Maxon and his cronies destroyed it.

June Jones and Huston Nutt would be a massive waste of money. UNLV isn't a former National Champion like Arkansas or swamped with local talent like Arkansas or SMU. Enough of this loser mentality of hiring a loser as the next HC. If TS is gone, get the next young Wilkinsen who was 31 years old when he took over the then hapless Sooners, the next Scott Frost, Brown, etc.

Speaking of Tark, how old was he when he built his first power program out of nothing? Barely 38 years old is the answer.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Quite true. Fortunately, many of the big egos with money who feel that way are fading away. UNLV needs to bury those old skeletons and target the community differently now. A good way to start in a manner that would help with the administration and school staff would be to allow employees of UNLV to bring their underaged children for free. Also let students bring one under-aged sibling for free. Tickets for underaged children of season ticket holders should also get in free. Build the fan base for the future by starting with the kids and the parents will come along.

They gave out free tickets to HS football teams here a few years back.

Very few came.

 

[Sam-I-am]

29 local high school players signed with FBS & FCS schools last week and 6 more to D2 schools with more likely to come.....

For a population of close to 2 Million, that's pathetically low. The Omaha Nebraska Metro Area, with a population of well under a million, had 31 HS players sign with FBS & FCS schools and 11 HS players sign with D2 schools. More importantly, only one of those local kids was a 4 Star while there were two higher ranked 4 stars at Omaha Burke, HS.

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With this excluding the greater Nevada. Nevada is also the state that has least number of college football programs (2) in mainland America....

Huh? Now that's a distinction without a difference. How about this distinction? Nevada has two FBS programs. How many do Nebraska, Delaware, SD, ND, Maine, Idaho, Wisconsin, Louisiana, Arkansas, NY, Wyoming and Vermont have? Two or less, right? So how does that matter? Wouldn't the numbers of FBS schools water down the quality and quantity of HS prospects?

29 local HS players who are FBS & FCS signees isn't going to make UNLV into a Boise State level of program. Just like they do, we need to recruit out-of-state to get where we need to go.

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UNLV does not sit in a football talent wasteland.

In its current situation, UNLV isn't going to land very many of the elite prospects from a football factory like Gorman and of those local HS signees, 4 of the top 8 were Gorman players. For a program like UNLV is right now, it may not be a football talent wasteland but it's pretty close to the dump. We must recruit locally but, mainly, nationally and we must have the budget to do it.

 

[Sam-I-am]

They gave out free tickets to HS football teams here a few years back.

Very few came.

With the state of the art stadium that is in a FAR better location, I think it would work quite well when it opens compared to the past at a stadium that took hours to get into if you lived on the other side of town.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

With the state of the art stadium that is in a FAR better location, I think it would work quite well when it opens compared to the past at a stadium that took hours to get into if you lived on the other side of town.

Of course the new state of the art stadium is going to draw more.

But they have attempted these type of promotions in the past.

UNLV already has some of the cheapest season ticket packages out there for football.

Students get in free.

Also the stadium doesn't 'take hours' to get into.

I live on the opposite side of town (Rainbow/Flamingo and can be there in half an hour.)

It's exactly 20 minutes from campus.

Sam Boyd wasn't the Bataan death march.

 

[Sam-I-am]

Of course the new state of the art stadium is going to draw more....

Thus, try the promotion that didn't work before.

"Sam Boyd wasn't the Bataan death march."

No it's not.
I live in Centennial and it has taken hours to get into the stadium. Took 4 hours to get into the stadium for the opener against Jackson State

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Thus, try the promotion that didn't work before.

I live in Centennial and it has taken hours to get into the stadium. Took 4 hours to get into the stadium for the opener against Jackson State

Nobody said they shouldn't try those again. Just that they had.

And.

The only way it took 4 hours to get into that stadium, is if you went by donkey, swam, or took a motorized unicycle powered by 91 octane bullshit...

The only time it takes 4 hours to get into the stadium is if you're tailgating outside.

 

[Sam-I-am]

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The only way it took 4 hours to get into that stadium, is if you went by donkey, swam, or took a motorized unicycle powered by 91 octane bullshit...

Nope. Took 4 hours because of construction and an accident on Boulder Hwy. It was quite embarrassing because I had promised to meet the Stantons at a tailgate hours before the game. John Sr said that Wass worse than anything he had seen in So. Cal.

Nobody said they shouldn't try those again. Just that they had....

And I didn't say anything to the contrary. Your hostility towards, and repeatedly misquoting, everything I post is becoming tiring. Perhaps I need to put you on ignore.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Nope. Took 4 hours because of construction and an accident on Boulder Hwy. It was quite embarrassing because I had promised to meet the Stantons at a tailgate hours before the game. John Sr said that Wass worse than anything he had seen in So. Cal.



And I didn't say anything to the contrary. Your hostility towards and misquoting everything I post is becoming tiring. Perhaps I need to put you on ignore.

So you misrepresented by saying it takes hours, without giving full details or context.

Sam Boyd's location had nothing to do with the length of your Odyssey. Construction and an accident did...

It's not misquoting you when it is exactly what you posted.

'Lol, Boise barely ranked 50th'

You said it. Own it...

 

[Sam-I-am]

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You said it. Own it...

I always do. Goodbye.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

I always do. Goodbye.

By never addressing it.

Peace.

 

[dcut03]

Sam

So you think only coaches that have built a program from nothing have any bearing when it comes to UNLV's next coach?

First former NFL coaches in the NCAA is relatively novel thing. Most of them want to go to established programs who can afford them. So there aren't a lot of comps to UNLV when it comes the NFL coaches. By saying they can only take over established programs is flawed, since that is the majority of the jobs available.

Also you point out the "failures" of NFL coaches, at established programs no less, but won't count the successes and established programs. The Nick Saban's, June Jones' (who actually did build from scratch).

But since this is fun lets go over your list.

Bear F'ing Bryant? OK you want to use Bear Bryant. Yup he did a great job at Alabama. He was also an established coach who had success at a very known power program in Texas A&M. So tell me Sam, which coach that is having at a power program currently do you think we can steal away right now? I'll be waiting.

Wilkerson at OU. Another doozie. Also a great coach. Elevated them to a new level, no doubt. But tell me how he built them up from scratch? They were conference champions 4 of the 7 years before he got there, including the year before he was a HC there ( I realize he was an assistant at the time).

Devaney had instant success at Nebraska. Elevated them to new height, but it insinuates that he took over a decent program if he could go to 5 straight bowl games He was also Nebraksa' 4th choice to take over their program, after others turned down the job. Luck was heavily involved.

Bobby Bowden? Really, any other HOF coaches you want to bring up? Your right, UNLV needs a HOF to be successful. Anywho Bowden was a successful coach at West Virginia taking them to a bowl game (back when there weren't 68 bowl games) before taking over at FSU. So again, tell which bowl winning coach from a top 20 bowl with come to UNLV right now?

JoePa? Spoke too soon. Yet another HOF coach. So building from scratch huh? According to you, JoePa's success does not count because Rip Engle, the preceding coach, had a 104-48-4 record. Never had a losing season.

Frost was a candidate when Hauck was hired. I think he had an interview. Not sure if we passed or he passed. Great coach did very well. Was on our radar. One of the many examples of a hot assistant getting a job. We've done that before. Finding the right one isn't easy.

Also with recruiting, you have yet to show when a school has increased their ranking of 8 point before they had success on the field. Still waiting on that.

OK you can have the ball back.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Sam

So you think only coaches that have built a program from nothing have any bearing when it comes to UNLV's next coach?

First former NFL coaches in the NCAA is relatively novel thing. Most of them want to go to established programs who can afford them. So there aren't a lot of comps to UNLV when it comes the NFL coaches. By saying they can only take over established programs is flawed, since that is the majority of the jobs available.

Also you point out the "failures" of NFL coaches, at established programs no less, but won't count the successes and established programs. The Nick Saban's, June Jones' (who actually did build from scratch).

But since this is fun lets go over your list.

Bear F'ing Bryant? OK you want to use Bear Bryant. Yup he did a great job at Alabama. He was also an established coach who had success at a very known power program in Texas A&M. So tell me Sam, which coach that is having at a power program currently do you think we can steal away right now? I'll be waiting.

Wilkerson at OU. Another doozie. Also a great coach. Elevated them to a new level, no doubt. But tell me how he built them up from scratch? They were conference champions 4 of the 7 years before he got there, including the year before he was a HC there ( I realize he was an assistant at the time).

Devaney had instant success at Nebraska. Elevated them to new height, but it insinuates that he took over a decent program if he could go to 5 straight bowl games He was also Nebraksa' 4th choice to take over their program, after others turned down the job. Luck was heavily involved.

Bobby Bowden? Really, any other HOF coaches you want to bring up? Your right, UNLV needs a HOF to be successful. Anywho Bowden was a successful coach at West Virginia taking them to a bowl game (back when there weren't 68 bowl games) before taking over at FSU. So again, tell which bowl winning coach from a top 20 bowl with come to UNLV right now?

JoePa? Spoke too soon. Yet another HOF coach. So building from scratch huh? According to you, JoePa's success does not count because Rip Engle, the preceding coach, had a 104-48-4 record. Never had a losing season.

Frost was a candidate when Hauck was hired. I think he had an interview. Not sure if we passed or he passed. Great coach did very well. Was on our radar. One of the many examples of a hot assistant getting a job. We've done that before. Finding the right one isn't easy.

Also with recruiting, you have yet to show when a school has increased their ranking of 8 point before they had success on the field. Still waiting on that.

OK you can have the ball back.

 

[willlevi]

For a population of close to 2 Million, that's pathetically low. The Omaha Nebraska Metro Area, with a population of well under a million, had 31 HS players sign with FBS & FCS schools and 11 HS players sign with D2 schools. More importantly, only one of those local kids was a 4 Star while there were two higher ranked 4 stars at Omaha Burke, HS.

Not worth the repeated debate, I will note your statement is untrue as far as the number of signees as well as the level they signed on to play. Nebraskans usually play at instate schools.
Nevadans play outside of Nevada with no instate home with less access for family support

Also, nearly every Omaha player that did sign did so to an instate school or school within 1.5 hours (100 miles) of Omaha.
Nebraska, Nebraska-Kearney, Midland, Chadron, Northwest Misssouri, Wayne State, Hastings, Concordia, Nebraska-Wesleyan and Peru State are all college football programs in the state of Nebraska.
Northwest Missouri State is the same distance as Laughlin from Las Vegas

Nevada isn't a talent wasteland, we just have a state with little state support for the talent produced in the state and athletes rely on persons like myself as well as HS coaches to make sure schools they have enough exposure to find options around the country.

https://www.omaha.com/neprepzone/re...cle_307ba540-b9d6-5b3d-b016-55a345dce2e3.html

 

[RebelinWA]

Either we are the stepping stone for a hot shot assistant/ some well to do fcs coach, or we pick up a failed p5 coach looking to rebound. None of the options are optimal. We’ve had all of them. Fit and finish will never be optimal, at least initially. The growing pains are real on this baby. This better turn into a gigantor of a baby.

 

[dcut03]

Truth is we are going to be a stepping stone. It will take several coaches to get us ultimately where we want to be. One coach won't come in here and build it from scratch to the promise land. Unless we become p5 and can pay with the big boys any coach with any sort of success will ditch us for a better job.

So any coach will be best served making the best with the pieces he has inherited and getting success. Success will in turn help with recruiting, and help get a good replacement coach. Like a Boise State or even a SDSU.

Sanchez has recruited arguably better than every coach in the past 15 years. If he doesn't hit the mark next season and is let go, the new guy should try to work with the pieces he has, and not try to blow things up. Or "start from scratch".

 

[Sam-I-am]

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Nevada isn't a talent wasteland...

No, the state isn't a talent "wasteland" [your word] but I stick to my position that the local talent pool for UNLV is not very good and particularly not great. It's specifically not even in the universe of the local talent pool of SMU.

UNLV's local talent pool, typically being within 50 miles of a school, routinely has around 10 prospects who are 3 Stars or above according to RIVALS' data base. SMU has well over 200 per year. In the 2019 Class alone, there were only 9 within 50 miles of UNLV [10] in the entire state. At the same time, there were 217 in SMU's local recruiting pool in Dallas alone.

 

[Sam-I-am]

Either we are the stepping stone for a hot shot assistant/ some well to do fcs coach, or we pick up a failed p5 coach looking to rebound. None of the options are optimal. We’ve had all of them. Fit and finish will never be optimal, at least initially. The growing pains are real on this baby. This better turn into a gigantor of a baby.

Quite true. History shows that getting the right young guy who moves on has better results for the "stepping stone". UCF did quite well last year after Frost left. Same can be said for A$M when The Bear left, Utah when Urban left, North Dakota State when Bohl left, USC when McKay left, etc, etc, etc.....

Of course there are those rare exceptions over the ages where the young man stayed on to create a Dynasty like Bowden, Deveaney, Joe Pa, etc....Maybe we can find one of them?

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Truth is we are going to be a stepping stone. It will take several coaches to get us ultimately where we want to be. One coach won't come in here and build it from scratch to the promise land. Unless we become p5 and can pay with the big boys any coach with any sort of success will ditch us for a better job.

So any coach will be best served making the best with the pieces he has inherited and getting success. Success will in turn help with recruiting, and help get a good replacement coach. Like a Boise State or even a SDSU.

Sanchez has recruited arguably better than every coach in the past 15 years. If he doesn't hit the mark next season and is let go, the new guy should try to work with the pieces he has, and not try to blow things up. Or "start from scratch".

Some times I wonder how much better the recruiting really has been.

'Highest ranked UNLV class ever'

108 nationally...

Is there really a huge difference between 108 and say 122?

Does it feel like it's a lot better because Sanchez has made it more than transparent than Hauck?

It seems like it's better. I think it is in overall depth, but in terms of impact/star guys. I'm not sure..

There will be some overlapping obviously. And if people want to argue Sanchez' coaches developed them that's fine. Probably fair to say in a number of cases. A lot of these guys will have played more under Sanchez than Hauck. But as far as bringing in/recruiting impact guys....I think it's closer than some might think.

QB

Herring/Sneed/Sherry/Decker

Vs

Rogers/Gilliam/Stanton/Palendech

The stars are better on Sanchez' group. Much more highly touted. Way more potential. But has that group been more productive or better than Hauck's. I'd say a little. A couple more wins overall. Roger's has the most potential. I would also say none have had as a good or as efficient of a season as Herring did his senior year though. (Herring may have been a Sanford guy that Hauck honored. Would have to check, if that is the case, then it's not really close) Potential definetly better with Sanchez' guys. Results as well, but not by all that much.

RB-

Lex over Cornett. Stats don't lie. Cornett was good Lex was better.

WR- Sanchez' group may be deeper but DeVante Davis and Boyd both Hauck guys are better than any Sanchez guys. I don't think it's really close here.

OL- Boyko. I think Sanchez' overall depth and talent is better, but has he landed a tackle or any other OL guy as good as Boyko was?

DL- Mike Hughes. You would have a hard time convincing me Sanchez has recruited a better player on the Dline than Mike Hughes.

LB- John Lotulelei. Two year Juco. From Hauck. Would you take any of Sanchez LBs over him?

DB- McTyer. Sanchez guy. I would say is arguably the best DB we've had here since Eric Wright.

Again, Sanchez has brought in better overall depth. I don't think there is any question.

But in terms of best guys, or most impactful guys, I don't think there is or has been a huge difference to this point yet.

Am I missing anybody from Hauck? Or Sanchez, that you or anybody would slot in there? This was off the top of my head..

 

[Sam-I-am]

No, the state isn't a talent "wasteland" [your word] but I stick to my position that the local talent pool for UNLV is not very good and particularly not great. It's specifically not even in the universe of the local talent pool of SMU.

UNLV's local talent pool, typically being within 50 miles of a school, routinely has around 10 prospects who are 3 Stars or above according to RIVALS' data base. SMU has well over 200 per year. In the 2019 Class alone, there were only 9 within 50 miles of UNLV [10] in the entire state. At the same time, there were 217 in SMU's local recruiting pool in Dallas alone.

And according to RIVALS, the numbers I posted are 100% correct. More importantly, only 16 prospects in Nevada signed with FBS schools compared to 9 in Eastern Nebraska and 5 of them signed with Nebraska. A total of 16 is pretty pathetic when Reno signed a total of 19 & UNLV signed 20 to the 2019 class.

Back to the comparison with SMU. The population of Dallas is just over 1,340,000 and its metro area population, excluding the cities of Forth Worth, Arlington, Irvinton, Plano and Waco is just around 4,000,000. The Las Vegas Metro is just around 2,000,000. So 14 prospects from the 2,000,000 in Las Vegas signed with FBS schools, excluding military academies. How many, also excluding military academies, prospects who graduated specifically from only Dallas high schools signed with FBS programs in the 2019 class? Has to be at least 14 if the local recruiting pool of UNLV is just average, right? Maybe a total of 28 if the recruiting pool in Dallas is good compared to UNLV's average, right? Maybe a total of 100 signees if Dallas is great if UNLV's local recruiting pool is average, right?

Well the fact is that 351 players, from only Dallas High Schools, signed with FBS programs. That's not an aberration either. Appears to me that SMU's local recruiting pool is, as I said before, in another universe from UNLV's.

Yes, the new facilities and the new stadium will help, but not enough. No it won't happen over night either but no matter who the HC is, the recruiting budget must be increased if we are ever going to become a perennially winning program and it needs to happen sooner rather than later.