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I’m in agreement with you.
If his took hold nationally, nothing could separate the rich from the poor more quickly.
But if it’s Cali only... I just don’t see how it works. Every non Cali P-12 is at a severe disadvantage. Hell, theoretically Fullerton and Northridge would be better than Arizona. Of course, that depends on caps and what not. But it’s one ugly can of worms.
I think the cali law has some deal where it only covers schools with a big amount of marketing money coming in. Translation, p12 cali schools only. Smaller cali schools should revolt
NCAA should then make a bylaw. Any conferences that pay players can earn a maximum of one post season entry. One for a bowl game. One for an NCAA bid.
Hit them right back in the face with a huge monetary penalty.
Relax! A number of states will have similar bills in place, including Nevada. There is no turning back on this.
I haven't been following this too close but...
But aren't all these schools still a part of the NCAA? Doesn't that trump everything?
Paying players would make those schools ineligible, banning them from post season tournaments and playoffs.
This may be the first step in everything changing, or...
Nothing changes and this is basically a political statement bill that was never going to affect anything.
I don’t know the legalese to be honest. But I’d think a state actions are stronger than ncaa bylaws. Tark was able to get injunctions that had to be observed. That’s mainly what I’m going by. Plenty of lawyers/judges here that can jump in.
But I suppose the NCAA could say, FU Cali, you’re out. Would they? That’s a big chunk of prestige and championships across many sports.
If it’s a blanket thing, everyone gets a set amount max, then if it’s reasonable and all schools could afford it, level playing ground. But it’d make cheating even worse, imo. If you ok money exchange... huge fan of worms.
If each kid can make as much as they can based on T-shirt sales, video game stuff... it’s still going to get bad.
I think it’s ultra complex and I don’t see many outcomes which would benefit the schools outside of the P-5.
I don't think the NCAA can prevent schools from paying players, but they can ban them from their events if they do. I can see them doing that if California is trying to play by their own rules. Cali is a big state, but the NCAA won't let them have a unfair advantage .
If they are going to start paying the players, then shouldn't the players pay their own tuition like most other students?
A bit of confusion on this thread. Universities are not paying anyone based on this California legislation. The new law only says Universities cannot forbid student athletes from earning money based on their name or likeness (i.e. signing autographs for money or appearing in commercials for the local company for money). Currently, eight other states have or will introduce similar legislation. Probably about 20 states will have this legislation within the next year. The damn has broke! Legally not a lot the NCAA can do about this. The NCAA is talking big now but they are due to announce new rules pertaining to this issue later this month.
If the NCAA is smart, they will embrace these changes and establish reasonable rules to set some guidelines. However, I have little faith in Mark Emmert's foresight or intelligence. This could blow-up!
If the NCAA is smart, they will embrace these changes and establish reasonable rules to set some guidelines. However, I have little faith in Mark Emmert's foresight or intelligence. This could blow-up!
Boosters from these schools will ensure the players have some kind of endorsement deal. “Show up one day at my car dealership for 5 minutes and I’ll give you $100,000, but only if you come to USC.”
“Stay for year two, Mr 5-Star SF, and we will give you a duffle bag full of cash which Coach K will deny.” Wait, this one already happened.
“Stay for year two, Mr 5-Star SF, and we will give you a duffle bag full of cash which Coach K will deny.” Wait, this one already happened.
The slant will be amazing .... the schools with the heaviest hitting boosters will win hugely.
Thanks for the clarification. That makes more sense, and in theory, I full agree.
However as BC stated above, that is a very slippery slope. One that easily can be abused.
Which still brings back to my original point. Players accepting money is breaking NCAA rules, which are allowed to do whatever they want. Maybe the break under pressure, maybe that's expected, but still currently players getting paid would be DQ'ing themselves.
How soon before similar laws are passed in Texas, Florida, Ohio, etc..? NCAA? They will find a way to get along, or there will be a new organization in charge.
The divide of haves and have nots is already there. I would bet that most college football fans can make a list of the top 15 teams for 2020, and be 80% correct. Only the actual ranks change much. The rich guys at the time rule. And, they are getting richer.
Want a truly competitive athletic system? Limit each conference to the money from only it's highest paying bowl game. (Stop laughing) Have all the other bowl money go to the players. An equal share for every athlete. (I said, stop laughing)
Think the fat cats will go along? Watch out for flying pigs.
This money thing will spread. Even more money will go to the few. The NCAA will go along, or get out of town.
The divide of haves and have nots is already there. I would bet that most college football fans can make a list of the top 15 teams for 2020, and be 80% correct. Only the actual ranks change much. The rich guys at the time rule. And, they are getting richer.
Want a truly competitive athletic system? Limit each conference to the money from only it's highest paying bowl game. (Stop laughing) Have all the other bowl money go to the players. An equal share for every athlete. (I said, stop laughing)
Think the fat cats will go along? Watch out for flying pigs.
This money thing will spread. Even more money will go to the few. The NCAA will go along, or get out of town.
Yeah sounds nice and all but we’ll be getting garbage athletes from here on out..
It’s bad enough that they are playing for free..
Two points.
By the time the California Bill becomes law in 2023, most others states will have similar laws. The NCAA will cease to exist if they try to enforce current NCAA rules. The NCAA will adjust.
I don't understand why anyone is bothered by players earning money based on their name and likeness. Currently players are getting money under the table. Isn't it better to bring these payouts to the surface? And I don't believe the argument this means more money. Maybe less, if some of the low lifes don't want anyone to know they are giving money. Probably no difference in the amount of money.
By the time the California Bill becomes law in 2023, most others states will have similar laws. The NCAA will cease to exist if they try to enforce current NCAA rules. The NCAA will adjust.
I don't understand why anyone is bothered by players earning money based on their name and likeness. Currently players are getting money under the table. Isn't it better to bring these payouts to the surface? And I don't believe the argument this means more money. Maybe less, if some of the low lifes don't want anyone to know they are giving money. Probably no difference in the amount of money.
It’s not that I’m for or against. All I’d prefer is a level playing field whether paid or not. That’s not going to happen whether they’re paid or not, I’m afraid, but I think that gap can increase when pay is allowed.
I’m not trying to be a fatalist, but I think all these tremors since the early 2000’s... conference realignment, rampant cheating with a blind eye, separation of bowl series ... etc, etc, etc ... are just the warning signs that will eventually cause a complete chasm with the NCAA as we know it. There will be a clear and concise separation of the haves and have nots ... it’s why conference affiliation was so damn important these past three decades ...... interest in UNLV hoops is very low and has been for a few years, but I think after the dust settles, we will wish we have then what we have now. UNLV athletics with about 270 other D1 teams are going to essentially be relegated to JV status IMO.
You may be right! But, we'll just have to wait and see, because allowing college athletes to profit off their image may even the playing field. Can Duke and Kentucky boosters fund that many 5-star basketball players? Maybe the top players will be more evenly distributed. I would think it may even out more for football. Not sure, but possible.
And if the system implodes, that just tells me it probably should. The unknown can be scary, but at least it will be interesting!
And by the way, in my opinion, UNLV will never get into a major conference with our dysfunctional Regents messing things up!
And if the system implodes, that just tells me it probably should. The unknown can be scary, but at least it will be interesting!
And by the way, in my opinion, UNLV will never get into a major conference with our dysfunctional Regents messing things up!
Wait, let’s just pay them!!
And if they’re good, we’ll let them know.
They are professional athletes
And if they’re good, we’ll let them know.
They are professional athletes
I like this rule in theory.
Schools are not directly playing players. In a way it makes it more fair for the players. Other college student can get endorsement deals without penalty, they can get whatever job they want, etc.
Though this will just be able to pay players without hiding it, fake jobs, like the mob.
Now does this give bigger schools an advantage? Not necessarily. It's not like the schools will be using their giant TV contract money to pay players. Boosters would have to do it.
It's not great for UNLV because it's not like we have a great, wealthy, alumni/booster base. But there is potential in Las Vegas for that over other schools/markets.
Schools are not directly playing players. In a way it makes it more fair for the players. Other college student can get endorsement deals without penalty, they can get whatever job they want, etc.
Though this will just be able to pay players without hiding it, fake jobs, like the mob.
Now does this give bigger schools an advantage? Not necessarily. It's not like the schools will be using their giant TV contract money to pay players. Boosters would have to do it.
It's not great for UNLV because it's not like we have a great, wealthy, alumni/booster base. But there is potential in Las Vegas for that over other schools/markets.
Ultimately the greed of student athletes is likely to destroy athletics in the university system. The coaching staff for my son's track program, which consistently sent kids on full ride scholarships to schools like USC, Stanford, etc. was always complaining about the fact that these track stars should receive more money for the benefits that the schools receive from their representing the school. I never argued about it, but in fact almost no school makes any money off their track programs, and in truth these kids are getting an advantage that most other students must pay for in order to receive. In truth, 95% of college athletes are on teams that do not make money for their schools, and those that make money are in most cases due to the boosters and donations not tickets sales. If they keep pushing the envelope, ultimately schools will just get rid of athletics.
Call me crazy for asking this but couldn't these guys get paid as "pitch men" for the Casino's.. would something like that be allowed?
If so these guys selling "what happens here stays here" type ads for strip hotels would make Las Vegas a top school in this ever-changing competition/war to use endorsements to entice or attract top athletes! Got to think Vegas would have an advantage over say Laramie, Stillwater or even South Bend!
You mean like the those Larry Johnson Jewelers commericials? Lol
That’s what came to my mind. I can picture Larry in those clearly.
Maybe he did them after eligibility? I don’t recall the timing. I’m thinking the had to be otherwise it’s blatant in your face bu UNLV/Larry to the entity that is looking forward to shutting you down. Doesn’t make sense. Maybe Mordechai forked over cash while he was eligible and he did the shoots after eligibility.
They came out the day after LJ's last game. Something to that effect. Even as a teen (in those days) it seemed to be very "quick" to me. I'm sure there was a contract signed with the date left blank.
Florida looks to have the Likeness Law in place by July 1, 2020.
It's coming quick! About time from my perspective. And, yes UNLV basketball should prosper from this.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...-a-boon-for-florida-california-in-recruiting/
It's coming quick! About time from my perspective. And, yes UNLV basketball should prosper from this.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...-a-boon-for-florida-california-in-recruiting/
No way you get to go play basketball for free. Man when does basketball season start
I think everyone will prosper. But if the prospering is at 2% for UNLV and other have nots but 20-30-40-50% for the haves, it’s a huge gap increase.
I think UNLV basketball will do well. Can you imagine all those Finley Toyota commercials with Rebel players!
