BOTTOM FEEDER Utah st.destroying Hawaii!
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That is the game of football. How can UNLV destroy Houston, and then Houston beats Kansas State!
Hopefully Utah st. plays this well again Colorado st.
Home vs road. We know crazy things happen onthe island.
Also, Hawaii would have had to win out. We found out about the character of their team. If this is the USU we see in 2 weeks vs CSU, Rebs might be alive still!
Also, Hawaii would have had to win out. We found out about the character of their team. If this is the USU we see in 2 weeks vs CSU, Rebs might be alive still!
Hey, kids who live in Hawaii year round....go play football at 5000 ft above sea level in 38 degree Logan, UT a couple hours after they had freezing rain. That's how.
Also the refs took 14 points off our board on bogus flags. They changed the feel an momentum in that game in the 1Q.
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Match ups.
Travel (Us/Hawaii)
It's not uncommon.
We crushed Houston, stole a game against Kansas, Kansas crushes Houston, Houston beats a ranked KSU who beat Kansas..
I don't have much faith in Fresno State at this point.
Jay Norvell deserves a lot of credit for what he's doing this year. Completely changed. the offense from 'air raid' to a physical run game and grinding out wins.
I agree, but it's on the road. I think USU has a better chance to beat them in Fort Collins than Fresno at home. However, Fresno is looking for 1 more win to become bowl eligible so I guess they have that to play for. Their last game is @UCLA so I doubt they want that game to be their last shot at a bowl.
I wonder how much 'bowl eligibility' means to Fresno. They're more of a conference title or bust program. Just being bowl eligible 'beneath' their standard.
Maybe they circle the wagons for Tim Skipper. He's popular with players but these results have to have Feesno Admin thinking about going a different route.
I think it still means a lot for the players, and they do love Skipper.
I think Tim Skipper is a great recruiter. By all accounts a very very good position coach. Comes across as a genuinely good human being.
But his stint here as DC was underwhelming to say the least. And he's not exactly lighting it up at Fresno right now.
Not sure he has that job next year.
Hoping he can pull this one off.
And we handle our business.
I don't know if I buy in to the fact that they wouldn't be motived by being bowl eligible, but not conference title game contenders. How many seniors on that team are there? You've got guys who will never play again. You've got an interim head coach and staff who would rather look for their next job with comfort of not failing at a top 3-4 program in a conference where everyone outside the top 2-3 is pretty meh.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think motivation is a critical factor. I think it might have been 2.5 weeks ago when they were 5-3 and felt like it was obvious theyd be bowling. Now with the necessity to win, I could see that focus coming back.
That's fair.
I'm just not sure how fired up they are to get to the John Deere Weed Whacker Bowl when they're use to contending for conference titles. That effort vs AFA was...Pretty bad defensively.. And offensive they rushed for. -5 yards....
I don't think they've quit on Skip or the season. I just wish they had more to play for this week.
Yeah I saw their run game is a disaster. Mentioned in the FSU vs CSU thread, boy are those stats awkward.
Conference title contention aside, they don't get to good bowl games. That's not who they are. Here is their entire bowl appears history (not years or opponents, just games) going back to 2000 from oldest to most recent:
Silicon Valley Football Classic
Silicon Valley Football Classic
Silicon Valley Football Classic
Silicon Valley Football Classic
MPC Computers Bowl
Liberty Bowl
Humanitarian Bowl
New Mexico Bowl
New Mexico Bowl
Humanitarian Bowl
Hawaiʻi Bowl
Las Vegas Bowl
Hawaiʻi Bowl
Hawaiʻi Bowl
Las Vegas Bowl
New Mexico Bowl
LA Bowl
New Mexico Bowl
According to Wikipedia, that Liberty Bowl (2005) was supposed to be MWC conference champ TCU, but TCU picked the Houston Bowl instead. Tulsa, C-USA champ, played Fresno (who finished 4th in the WAC, and closed the year 0-4 in their last 4).
MPC Computers Bowl is the same game as the Humanitarian Bowl is the same game as the Idaho Potato Bowl. It's the one in Boise.
Silicon Valley Football Classic was a bowl game that last 5 years and was supposed to be Pac 10 vs WAC... a Pac 10 team appeared exactly once. Fresno played in 4 of the 5 SVFC games.
The others are Hawaii, New Mexico, LV, and LA. The LV bowl is lost of course, but the other 3 are still MWC tie-ins. Obviously you see my point.
They aren't one of those who hunted for the Poinsettia Bowl, the Armed Forces Bowl, Liberty Bowl (when it is at-large, unlike that year), etc. They get tie-in games.
Ya know what my digging has got me thinking? We (MWC community, CFB in general) talk about Fresno like they have some elite FB history. They have a good history, I'm not disputing that. They have regularly been above .500 and appeared in bowl games. I'd love to have Fresno State's history in football. But they aren't some historic program averaging 10+ wins a year like their fan base would have you think. The one time they had a chance late in the year to play a meaningful blow game they blew it to SJSU and David Fales and then got blasted in the LV bowl by USC, that was like 10 years ago. 8 times they have over 10 wins, 5 of which in the 80s (the other 3 in the 2010s).
Fresno is a good program, but man they had me fooled for being elite for a long time. Give it to them though, they take pride in their program from an administration and fan standpoint. Good on them. But also, Fresno sucks.
Have fun continuing to finish 4th in the new Pac.
I would still have liked Fresno State to stay in the MWC more than any of the other teams that are leaving.
I dont disagree. I think they are fun to have and add value. IMO in terms of what they bring from an eyes, competition, and perception, they are behind BSU and SDSU. But I'd definitely prefer them be with us whether it's MWC or elsewhere than not. I enjoy the Fresno games every year and have since they joined the MWC.
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