I wouldn't undersell CU. They are down now but have been top 25 in the last 5 or 6 years I believe. They have money. Tough job, but capable of a bounce back.
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I wouldn't undersell CU. They are down now but have been top 25 in the last 5 or 6 years I believe. They have money. Tough job, but capable of a bounce back.
CU is a down program, they have had 2 winning seasons since 2005.
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They are but they have money, and they are in a P5 conference. That trumps just about any G5 job..
They were 10 - 4 in 2016. That's recent enough to show you can win there.
No they don’t have money! If they had money they would have hired someone good by now and they would have been much more competitive with the Tucker offer, they weren’t! CU has more money than MWC schools but they aren‘t loaded.
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Yes they do have money. Their athletic budget is nearly double that of UNLV. CU is at 89 million. UNLV around 47 million. That not pocket change, it is a substantial difference regardless of the number of exclamation points you use.
Lots of schools with big athletic budgets miss on coaching hires. Nebraska missed, U of A missed. ASU missed. It happens. Florida missed a few times.
CU is also an older University than UNLV therefore they likely have more potential for booster support.
Again it's a P5 job. That alone makes it more attractive than almost any G5 job.
You don't fire Arroyo unless you feel confident you can make a splash (by UNLV standards) hire.
So I think you may be right.
Which means we are both absolutely wrong and will be disappointed in the next few weeks. 🙂
I attended the first Rebel football game. How do you think that makes me feel? Go ahead, take your shots!
"You don't fire Arroyo unless you feel confident you can make a splash (by UNLV standards) hire."
Not convinced of this - at all.
None of the money you talk about has been used to hire it retain a HC at CU football. It does not work that way in Boulder! And there’s an exclamation point for your thought on CU’s budget. Anyone can look up numbers on the internet but if money was there why is the best they have come up with is Mel Tucker? They may use the money to lure Prime but it will be the first time in memory CU has paid top dollar for a football coach, look that up!
Then why do it?
I'm not saying they can or will make a better choice but if there aren't resources there I don't see the point in firing him after year three to go out and makie another uninspiring hire.
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I didn't make that argument.
I said they have more money at their disposal than UNLV and most other G5 schools.
How they choose to spend it is a different discussion.
If CU decides enough is enough and opens the purse strings there is little UNLV could do about it if it became a bidding war. Because they haven't in the past doesn't mean they won't.
Anybody can use exclamation points it doesn't make the argument any better.
Again Mel Tucker is irrelevant.
If you are going based on history Arroyo was the first time UNLV opened the purse strings up. It didn't work out.
Again CU has more money. Double what UNLV has.
Will they outbidcsomebody likevUNLV force new coach? I don't know. Can they outbid UNLV? Absolutely.
They paid 3.6 million (500k base) last time out. Double Arroyo.
Can UNLV get to 3.6 million?
Their assistant coaching budget was close to 3 million.
Care to continue debating whether or not CU has more money at their disposal than UNLV?
Barring unforeseen and unprecedented booster support UNLV cannot touch those numbers..
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Mel Tucker is not irrelevant, he is the example of CU not opening the purse strings to keep a coach who was worth retaining, instead they let him go! And anyone can say something is irrelevant if it does not bolster their point of view, see what I did there!
He is irrelevant because the topic is money and how much they have to spend vs UNLV.
They paid their last HC 2x what UNLV paid Arroyo.
They paid their assistants around 3 million.
Again, barring unprecedented and unforeseen booster money UNLV cannot sniff that.
If it's a bidding war CU has more money than most G5 schools at their disposal. The quality of their hires is a different discussion.
Your contention was they don't have money, which they obviously do when compared to UNLV.
If both they and UNLV wanted Sanders and money is the motivator, UNLV would most likely lose out on a bidding war.
I said CU does not pay for coaches, that’s what I said! Now if they hire Prime good for the Buffs but it will be the first time they paid for a coach in recent memory. My point has been made. Now if you want to continue telling us all why Arroyo should’ve been retained after an abysmal season, you can do that, your good at making ridiculous claims about your fired boy Marcus!
There are probably dozens of reasons. Here are a couple that I can think of.
1. Overconfidence.
2. Wanting to make a personal stamp on the program.
3. Timing - can't wait for Arroyo while P5 is a possibility.
4. Don't like Arroyo.
5. Something going on inside the program we are unaware of.
6. Multiple staff complaints.
They are paying more than three other Pac 12 schools including what UW paid DeBoer.
Are they Alabama? Obviously not but they pay right around the middle of the pack in college football.
That they don't break the bank doesn't matter. They pay enough to get solid coaching. Using the example of DeBoer doing pretty well at UW making less money than their recently fired coach.
They just couldn't go toe to toe with Michigan State.
Which most would view as a better job with more potential to win anyway.
They actually paid the next coach more than Tucker. Which turned out to be a mistake.
All those are fair, and I don't disagree.
Without knowing if any or all of those are true hard to say.
Purely from outside looking in, you have to hope Harper can pull some serious strings or has something in place beyond a handshake deal.
Lol!
Solid coaching, the record says otherwise.
They are in the bottom 10 like us?
They don’t pay for top coaches, they go cheap with all that money you speak of.
Mel left after laughing at CU’s attempt at a counteroffer!
CU has got a bad case of UNLV disease when it comes to hiring coaches, Mel was the only decent hire they made since Coach McCartney was there!
Mel Tucker went 5-7 there.
Again decent hires are a different discussion.
Mel Tucker's stint at Michigan State is nothing to write home about besides year two.
They went 2-5 ( Covid year) 11 wins and back down to 5-7 this year.
If he hovers around .500 next year was CU wrong not to extend him?
Like I said they have money, choosing to spend it or spend it wisely is a different story.
Spending big money for a coach is not always a recipe for success. Ask Kansas how they felt about spending big to get Charlie Weiss as an example.
Hell UNLV just made Arroyo the highest paid coach in its history and it blew up in their face.
I didn't say they've had solid coaching. I said they've paid well enough to get solid coaches vs other schools who paid less with better results.
Mel‘s record at Michigan State is not my point!? And another thing CU ain’t Michigan State, big difference between P12 and B10! Every Buffs fan and the local media here knew Mel was on to something when he inherited Big Sky players from McIntire and we’re pissed CU played it tight with the counteroffer to retain him. You think they paid top dollar for Hawkins, Embree, McIntyre and Dorrell, lol, keep spinning crap bull!
The only FCS guy I can see being offered is Troy Taylor from Sac State.
And I think he would be at beat 8 or 9 down the list.
No offense to him, but... guys are out there. Whether they consider UNLV or not is unrelated
I didn't say they did. I say they have the budget. Again willingness to spend and spending are different. Spending (or not spending) and subsequent results are a different discussion.
I just said Michigan State is a better job.
CU have money. A lot more than UNLV. Their willingness to spend is another story. They could have spent less and potentially got a guy like DeBoer.
They also paid the coach after Tucker more.
Tucker was on to something? He went 5-7 the exact same record previous coach had three straight years.
I just want the Rebels to do it right this time. Get a former HC in here like Herman, Patterson, Sanders, Ed O, Petrino or even Jim freaking Leavitt for crying out loud but stay away from the Arroyo’s of the world!
I agree. They need to get it right.
I think we were conflating two or three different discussions earlier.
Most of my point about CU having money was in relation to UNLV. There is a chance UNLV and CU may interview or be interested in the same candidates. In that event UNLV can't compete barring miracle booster money.
CU and their willingness to spend money is different. Them not spending money last time was double what Arroyo was paid. That shows how far behind UNLV and majority of G5 are vs P5.
As for UNLV and their search, a lot if high profile names are going to be thrown out there. Harper backed himself into a corner a bit by saying he wanted somebody with HC experience.
To get a quality guy like that a number of things have to happen.
UNLV will potentially have to spend even more than they ever have.
Hope they aren't in a bidding war with a P5 school or somebody like Cincy.
Vegas may not be right fit for coach and family.
They may have to go after a guy like a Robinson embarking on his farewell tour.
That's why I would say they may fall short and be forced to look at a guy like Alex Grinch the DC at USC. Possibly the Sacramento State HC.
Love it if they could snag a Tom Herman or Ed Orgeron or a Gary Patterson, but a lot will have to line up right to possibly get them.
Exactly…you don’t fire Dave Rice mid season unless you are sure you can make a splash hire like Marvin Menzies.
Pretty much. And that is not in any way a defense of Arroyo.
I know this with pretty good authority. Sanders is Not GOING TO unlv. Coaches attach their names to positions knowing 100% for sure they will never take that job, but they put their name in the hat anyways. If you see Sanders name attached to UNLV - know this is the case. its strictly business and political. He is already taken -its just not final nor public. So negotiating -thats when they throw in competitiors to get the right terms ...with Sanders its not about $$ its about terms - UNLV would never come near his terms.
he would never entertain UNLV anyways
Chucky would be as good as it gets for UNLV.. Gruden is my pick for the reason why they canned Arroyo
he would never entertain UNLV anyways
Chucky would be as good as it gets for UNLV.. Gruden is my pick for the reason why they canned Arroyo
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NEON DEON - UNLV would never hire someone bigger than the UNIVERISTY for instance Neon Deon is more famous than UNLV - UNLV is basically a state run institution that is controlled by politicians - thats just the thing - control - Deon is too dangerous - just like Tark was - sounds cool - flash and glitz combined with more flash and glitz and glamour- too bad it will never never never happen
Same Reason UNLV never hired George Karl - too dangerous- its not about winning - not if it comes with RISK to the establishment.. CHicken Shit U -
