Does anyone have realistic alternatives besides keeping this thing alive and hoping we magically become somewhat decent? John Robinson worked miracles with this program. Once in a lifetime luck with that hire.
At this point, what else can we do besides disband the program?
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Keep trying.
But I propose someone come up with a tic toc that makes every kid think if they take a selfie at the Death Star with “rebels” behind them, they get some crazy clout. This would give us sell out, tons of money, a better coaching hire, and winning records.
Piece of cake
We lost to another team who will win its conference. And it was close.
Not saying this team is good. Im saying yall pick a weird time to reach the way you have. This thread and the game thread, so I'm not singling you out. Literally all 5 of the teams UNLV has played will win, or be very close to winning their conferences.
I honestly expect a wins vs USU and at UNM. We'll see. The last 2 games have actually shown something. Lots of holes in the team in all 3 phases, and I have little faith in Arroyo. But they may not be as bad as I expected after 3 games.
Not saying this team is good. Im saying yall pick a weird time to reach the way you have. This thread and the game thread, so I'm not singling you out. Literally all 5 of the teams UNLV has played will win, or be very close to winning their conferences.
I honestly expect a wins vs USU and at UNM. We'll see. The last 2 games have actually shown something. Lots of holes in the team in all 3 phases, and I have little faith in Arroyo. But they may not be as bad as I expected after 3 games.
You can't get rid of football. The Mountain West Conference is the only for our sports teams. Also we have at lease at Allegiant stadium that runs for some time. That's the taxpayers were so nice and build a stadium for us to share with the Raiders. Another reason we can't get rid of football is that rival UNR continues to do well at football.
Man I hadn't evem thought of this. I support football team more than basketball and care more about it (yeah, I know. Glutton for punishment). Tthinking about the feeling of glory and victory those idiots would have up north if UNLV shuttered football makes me incredibly frustrated.
MW would keep us for basketball only and the Raiders would pay us to leave.
UNLV played a top 25 team until the last few minutes, and a top 35 teams until the last minute, and all I see is we suck? If UNLV plays like they have the last two games, they will win most of the games left on their schedule.
These “eliminate the football program” posts are tired. We are in our very early stages with a real stadium and real facility that cost a lot of money to build. The next 40 years will not be the last 40. If for some reason they are, at least it’s a 70 degree game experience with outstanding amenities and comfort. That doesn’t suck!
Seriously though, did any sane person expect us to beat a C-USA contender on the road with our best QB out? There have been some major positives @ Fresno St and @ UTSA…very good football teams! This team is getting closer to figuring it out. If (maybe a big IF) Brumfield stays healthy and/or Friel continues his progression, it’s not inconceivable for this team to have a chance to win a few games from here on out.
Seriously though, did any sane person expect us to beat a C-USA contender on the road with our best QB out? There have been some major positives @ Fresno St and @ UTSA…very good football teams! This team is getting closer to figuring it out. If (maybe a big IF) Brumfield stays healthy and/or Friel continues his progression, it’s not inconceivable for this team to have a chance to win a few games from here on out.
This is the dumbest narrative. We just got a new stadium and practice facility for football, so we should disband the program to focus on basketball? If we don’t have a football program then we go to the big west. MW > BW
How about we just hire a coach with some actual FBS coaching experience next time. In the past UNLV was too cheap to spend the money to do that but CMA got big time money. We could have hired someone that actually knew how to run a program instead of another crapshoot let’s hope he can figure it out type of hire. Hopefully our next AD cares about what is best for UNLV number 1 and not her resume.
What tax payers got screwed? The tax was on the hotel rooms, and the hotels voted in favor of the tax.
I don't even understand how this overall thread could logically have been anyone's conclusion after the last few contest.
I guess I could see killing the program if it somehow ensured Gonzaga/Villanova type results in basketball.
It doesn't though.
We could end up more like an LBSU situation.
Not sure that really excites anyone..
I think our ceiling would be higher than LBSU if the basketball program got more funding, but I'm not sure how that works.
In any case, I'm really struggling to know what the answer is to our football program, especially if we go winless again.
Get lucky...
Seriously...
1) Unlv doesn't have the money to hire a a name coach away from anybody.
2) I don't think current administration would open the checkbook or has the guts to hire anybody with baggage like Hugh F. from a school like Liberty U.
3) You could go the unemployed NFL guy like Illinois and ASU did I guess...
4) Any G5 coaches that are doing well we can't hire away, why take the pay cut. Even if UNLV could increase salary, why would a guy at Memphis or even Arkansas State make what would amount to a lateral move here?
It leaves you with a few options or possibilities.
1) Go the FCS route again. Jay Hill from Weber State was on the radar. But I think the shadow of Hauck still looms large.
2) Hire a coordinator away from a P5 school. Which we did, but might not have been the right guy.
3) Hope that mystery money everyone talks about shows up.
Beyond that...Don't know..
In the past that may have been true but UNLV is paying Arroyo 1.5+ million now. They certainly could have hired an experienced coach for that kind of money. We could get a G5 guy from CUSA, MAC, or the Sun Belt or we could get a recently fired P5 coach.
You brought up Arkansas State. Utah State was able to get Anderson for 1 million a year. Blake Anderson isn't perfect but wouldn't you agree that a coach that took Arkansas State to 6 straight bowl games and knows how to run a winning FBS program might be better than us trying the same Offensive Coordinator/FCS Coach thing over and over again.
I get what you are saying but...
1.5 is good money no doubt.
Let's be honest though.
I think we can safely assume that we can't lure a P5 coach here.
So hypothetically, say you are the coach of some MAC school. For sake of argument let's say Akron. Been there two years and are really turning things around. Making 900k. Last two seasons made a bowl game. UNLV comes knocking. We can offer you 1.3 million. Nice pay bump for sure. Does that coach chase the money? Or does he think, another year at Akron with similiar results I can possibly land a P5 job in the Big10?
One issue that UNLV faces is there aren't as many P5/G5 schools on the West Coast. Where that hurts is a scenario like above. Football is more regional than say basketball. Coach has ties to the Ohio/Indiana/Illinois area. Why uproot and come here?
Facility helps. Stadium I don't think matters a lick to most coaches....
Blake Anderson I believe left Arkansas State, not positive but I think he had a family tragedy. That might have factored into him leaving Arkansas State for Utah State some.
Again, I get what you're saying, but Vegas the city factors into it as well. I love the town, but it's not for everybody.
Sure I'd take Blake Anderson or somebody similiar. But a lot of things have to fall into place for it to happen.
No respectable coach will want to be here until there is some level of success. 1.1-1.5m for 5 seasons at UNLV won't likely pluck a good coach in a situation that he could land ANYWHERE else for slightly less. This has been a black hole of a job for some time. It's unreasonable to think we could pull an 8-4, coach making 850k to come here and potentially throw away his entire career.
Somebody without the head coaching experience will HAVE to win here before anybody is willing to do that.
That's how I see it.
Options are.
You have to hope another Robinson looking for a swan song comes around.
Otherwise it feels like it's the FCS or Coordinator route.
I'm not at the bury Arroyo point yet. Like any other coach, I think 3-4 years is a enough time to flip a roster and have your guys.
There needs to be huge steps forward next year though. Anything less than 5-7 and his seat will and should be hot.
I don't think UNLV would or will take on a coach with any baggage attatched. No Petrino or Hugh Freeze types.
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These doom themed threads are mystifying. Arroyo is the coach for the foreseeable future. I may be wrong, but I think UNLV covered their last four games. If that is the case, they are outperforming the expectations of whoever sets point spreads. I take that as a positive sign. The team is a play or two away from winning a game.
"They certainly could have hired an experienced coach for that kind of money."
She certainly could have hired an experienced coach for that kind of money.
Your post is all about moral victories. The time for moral victories came and went @ Hauck's tenure. And all covering means is bettors think we suck a little worse than we actually do. We don't need any more losses that cover. We need to get into a better conference and conference expansion is about football. We need to win and win a lot or football will drop into obscurity and take basketball with it. We need to win out, go to a bowl and win. Then next year we need to win 10 games, beat our P5 opponents and win a bowl against a decent P5 team. Then we need to do it again the following year. Do those things and have breakout seasons in basketball and the P12 may - if we are EXTREMELY lucky - come calling.
If we just cover and win a game here and there we'll have ZERO chance making a P5 conference and our beloved basketball team will be in peril. We will waste the next two or three years trying to do the impossible.
I believe Arroyo will only have small success in football and the P5 conferences will pass us by. It will then come down to having imaginative leaders who can cobble together a top rate Basketball conference with Us, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, New Mexico and others. I think that's easier done now than waiting for us to try to be a winner in football.
But it all depends on imaginative, daring leaders. Right.
Of course, I don't have a specific answer. If you could tell me who , specifically, was interviewed I could give it a go. But in generalities, there were 23 FBS coaches hired that year and 13 of them were hired for less $$. Each one of those has a better record than Arroyo. I would guess at least 1/2 of those 13 would have come here. Perhaps every one.
If I get time I'll see who was out there at the time.
My initial guess, we probably wouldn't have been in the mix.
CSU grabbed the Boston College guy and early returns haven't been all that great.
My boy Urban! He’s letting stuff come out so that he can set himself up to coach here in the future. Remember this for the future!
UNLV will get a new AD sometime early next year (we better not keep the interim guy, if we do you know we're not committed to getting this program to the next level!) There is doubt the new AD will want to bring in there guy so MA will have next year to get it done, I say at least 4 wins to show he's made a significant improvement (probably will be 2 wins or less for this year), if not the AD will have to move on! UNLV needs to pony up, no more FCS guys, coordinators, straight out of high school guys! Yes MA is the 3rd highest paid coach in the MW just behind Boise st head coach but UNLV is no Boise in football, they have built a winning program that been going for almost 20 years! They can pay that amount and keep winning but not UNLV, they have to pay a lot more to get the right guy here to make this a winning program! I know many would say "yeah but no one will come here?" and maybe 10 years ago I would of said the same thing but they now have the stadium, facilities, R1 research status, med school, bigger TV market! You've spent all this money but why stop at the head coach, pay the man good money! If not what was the point investing in all the things above! If you pay around 3 mill you can have a proven person, you've tried everything, you get what you pay for!!
