Athlon’s has UNLV ranked 117 this year. They should start focusing on winning games there. Not being arrogant about the football facility. Hauck took UNLV to a bowl. He didn’t even have the same support Sanchez does. The team would stay the night before at a hotel on Boulder Highway. Now they stay at Green Valley Ranch the nights before games. UNLV is just so messed up in reality...
Althon has UNLV at #117
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I was a huge Hauck fan until the Northern Colorado "win" early in his final season, but I finally figured out that the bowl season was fools' gold. That bowl team was carried by the leadership of possibly the best offensive trio in UNLV history, Caleb Herring, Tim Cornett, and Devante Davis. Simple as that...
Hauck's other four seasons he was 8-19 at home, with the 8 wins being against Northern Colorado and the worst teams in the MWC, and some of the losses being to the worst teams in the MWC, along with Northern Arizona and Southern Utah.
Hauck's other four seasons he was 8-19 at home, with the 8 wins being against Northern Colorado and the worst teams in the MWC, and some of the losses being to the worst teams in the MWC, along with Northern Arizona and Southern Utah.
I’ll only debate best offensive trio. If it is, they were stronger than I thought or some of the others are falsely pumped in my memory.
Nine out of thirteen seasons as a head football coach, Hauck has finished with a winning season.
He earned the programs its fourth bowl berth (1984, 1994, 2000 & 2014) in 40 years of football.
He didn't get over the hump here but he has proven to be a high quality coach in Montana.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Hauck
Hauck was just a bad fit here in general.
I also don't think he realized just how apathetic this city is towards UNLV football.
You don't go 80-17 to start your career if you can't coach.
For all the 'improvement' under Sanchez, we're talking about a grand total of 3 more wins in a four year period.
Agree.
Davis/Cornett/Herring was good. (Especially Davis)
But I'll take Cunningham/Woods and whatever receiver from those teams.
I'm hardly a Sanchez fan, but I don't see any arrogance about the facility.
They should promote it. It's long overdue.
Should have been a focus/priority years ago.
I’d have to think Back. Seems there’s always a weak link somewhere. But we’ve had some stellar receivers over the years, some pretty good runners too, QB hasn’t been strong though. But you could look at our bowl win with JT and Rudolph and Turner.
Youd think a year with Wolf or might be in there. Things kind of blend for me.
Rebs have always had pretty decent receivers.
I can't remember a season where I thought that position group was weak.
I did say perhaps the best offensive trio, and the case I would make would be for three guys all having solid seasons at each of the three key offensive skill positions.
Woods and Cunningham only played together one season, and Woods only played in two games. Woods was not a standout player until his senior season, which was a great season.
Herring struggled but never gave up at UNLV. He even played WR for a while to get on the field. But his senior year he had a great season and was a great leader.
I did like Hauck, and the winning record he came with was a big part of the reason why. But in that final season I lost faith that the 2015 season was going to be back to winning at UNLV. He had a fresh contract extension, so he wasn't a lame duck coach like Sanchez currently is, and he was coming off a bowl appearance... but by the end of the 2014 season he had only one commit (Dalton Sneed).
Ill take this offense
QB: Jason Thomas
RB: Jememi Rudolph, Kevin Brown, James Wofford
WR: Nate Turner, Troy Mason
QB: Jason Thomas
RB: Jememi Rudolph, Kevin Brown, James Wofford
WR: Nate Turner, Troy Mason
I think Hauck's biggest problem is that he tried to run a power offense at UNLV, he could do that at Montana where he could recruit the best D1AA linemen available, at UNLV he was only getting UNLV quality O-Lineman, unless you have a really good Oline its had to run that offense, he did at Montana.
All true..
But Randall was so much better than any QB we have had, you and I could be the RB and WR and be the best trio...
JT, Nate Turner, Jeremi Rudolph were pretty dang good....and we had Kevin Brown and James Wofford backing up Rudolph... Troy Mason as a 2nd receiver. That was a good team. If JT was a better passer, we could've made a bigger splash.
You really think that is going to happen? UNLV isn’t even ranked in the top 100 again. His defenses have given up an average of over 30 points a game. This is probably his most difficult schedule since he has been at UNLV. I say 3 to 4 wins at best. Take the under...
In 2013 Herring/Cornett/Davis totaled 5638 yards and 59 TDs.
In 2000 Thomas/Rudolph/Turner/Brown/Wofford/Mason totaled 5738 yards and 49 TDs. 2000 was everyone's best year except Wofford, who was much better in '97 and '98.
I re-analyzed the 2013 a lot after the 2014 Northern Colorado "win" and concluded that Hauck got way too much credit for the bowl season and Herring not nearly enough.
Hauck's 7 win team (which got him a bowl game and a contract extension) was actually lower in the computer rankings than Sanford's 5 win team (which got him fired). That shows you how much scheduling can affect wins and perceptions.
The 7 wins included #139 Central Michigan, #159 Western Illinois, #146 New Mexico, #127 Hawaii, #161 Air Force, and two good wins over teams that finished ranked above UNLV, #78 San Diego State and #98 UNR. That was just the one season when the Rebels won the games they were supposed to and avoided any embarrassing losses.
Hauck's 7 win team (which got him a bowl game and a contract extension) was actually lower in the computer rankings than Sanford's 5 win team (which got him fired). That shows you how much scheduling can affect wins and perceptions.
The 7 wins included #139 Central Michigan, #159 Western Illinois, #146 New Mexico, #127 Hawaii, #161 Air Force, and two good wins over teams that finished ranked above UNLV, #78 San Diego State and #98 UNR. That was just the one season when the Rebels won the games they were supposed to and avoided any embarrassing losses.
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No doubt scheduling matters and can shape perception. And with football, since you don’t need to be “good” to make a bowl game, just have a weak schedule - that makes it even more amazing UNLV has so few. UNLV hoops did the same thing two years ago to get to 20 wins - but with hoops, quality of wins does matter for post season, so they weren’t a little bit close. But that 20 still blinded some UNLV fans as some awesome achievement.
In 2013 Herring/Cornett/Davis totaled 5638 yards and 59 TDs.
In 2000 Thomas/Rudolph/Turner/Brown/Wofford/Mason totaled 5738 yards and 49 TDs. 2000 was everyone's best year except Wofford, who was much better in '97 and '98.
2013 team played one more game, JT & Woff only played 11 games in 2000, 2000 schedule was much more difficult played @Iowa St who fininshed ranked 25th that season, @CSU who finished #14. AFA was 9-3, @BYU, @Utah, @Ole Miss, and The LV Bowl vs Arkansas.
On a side note, in the last 30 years, IMHO, the best two QBs we've had were Omar Clayton and Caleb Herring... If either had more size/bigger builds, I think they would've played professionally, probably on Sundays.In 2013 Herring/Cornett/Davis totaled 5638 yards and 59 TDs.
In 2000 Thomas/Rudolph/Turner/Brown/Wofford/Mason totaled 5738 yards and 49 TDs. 2000 was everyone's best year except Wofford, who was much better in '97 and '98.
I'm glad Herring is still apart of the program, broadcasting games. I hope Clayton is doing well... I really liked Clayton's game. Both QBs had a lot of change and diversity during their time at QB... Especially Clayton, having to deal with getting moved to WR and then back to QB.
I mean, by single seasons or careers? JT was solid in bowl game season and drew Heisman talks (Kuiper, I always thought it was BS, even at the time) heading into the following season. And it was for really bad teams but Denton was a pretty decent slinger.
We've taken this thread in a different direction than the original comment of Hauck keeping the team more focused than Sanchez. Sorry.
But continuing on, if you look at the last 40 seasons for UNLV QBs having 1000 yards (which eliminates Johnny Stanton and Shane Steichen, who had fantastic QBRs in 2017 and 2006, respectively) and QBRs over 110 (which eliminates Nick Sherry, Jason Davis, and Rocky Hinds, who had big yardage years in 2012, 1993, and 2006, respectively) the UNLV passer historical passer rating looks like this:
The Sam King/Larry Gentry 1979 season was a little before my time. Anyone here know what the system or situation was that both of them played in 12 games and passed for over 1000 yards?
But continuing on, if you look at the last 40 seasons for UNLV QBs having 1000 yards (which eliminates Johnny Stanton and Shane Steichen, who had fantastic QBRs in 2017 and 2006, respectively) and QBRs over 110 (which eliminates Nick Sherry, Jason Davis, and Rocky Hinds, who had big yardage years in 2012, 1993, and 2006, respectively) the UNLV passer historical passer rating looks like this:
The Sam King/Larry Gentry 1979 season was a little before my time. Anyone here know what the system or situation was that both of them played in 12 games and passed for over 1000 yards?
Thomas' hurt his shoulder and wasn't the same the next year.
He looked like a left handed guy trying to throw right handed..
Heisman? No..
But definitely an All American candidate
Denton could sling it...
He stays straight....What could have been..
By way of pure quarterbacking potential, I think Denton was the best I’ve seen at UNLV. Though I did see Randall in a game when I was a kid, but I didn’t follow UNLV anything back then.
Sherry had potential but he never recovered mentally from the Central Michigan game.
As far as UNLV Offenses go it would hard to beat 1973 & 1974
QB Glenn Carano played 4 years at UNLV passed for 5095 career yards and 37 touchdowns;
At least 7 seasons in the NFL for the Dallas Cowboys
RB Mike Thomas played 2 years at UNLV; all time leading rusher (I joked with Lex at the San Diego St. game last season that his Uncle was the all time greatest UNLV RB in only 2 years while it took him 4 years to become the 2nd UNLV RB of all time).
Mike was the NFL rookie of the year in 1975 with 919 yards rushing, followed by being named all pro in 1976 with over a 1000 yards. For his NFL career he rushed for 4196 yards and 19 TDS.
Mike Haverty was probably UNLV’s best WR those 2 seasons. Could not find his stats.
QB Glenn Carano played 4 years at UNLV passed for 5095 career yards and 37 touchdowns;
At least 7 seasons in the NFL for the Dallas Cowboys
RB Mike Thomas played 2 years at UNLV; all time leading rusher (I joked with Lex at the San Diego St. game last season that his Uncle was the all time greatest UNLV RB in only 2 years while it took him 4 years to become the 2nd UNLV RB of all time).
Mike was the NFL rookie of the year in 1975 with 919 yards rushing, followed by being named all pro in 1976 with over a 1000 yards. For his NFL career he rushed for 4196 yards and 19 TDS.
Mike Haverty was probably UNLV’s best WR those 2 seasons. Could not find his stats.
I was aware of Carano and Thomas but the stats site I use didn't go back that far. Carano was only a sophomore in Thomas' senior year ('74) and he didn't have great numbers until his junior and senior years. His best year with Mike Thomas, he (Carano) finished with 49 completions out of 106 attempts, 839 passing yards, 11 touchdowns and 12 interceptions
So @ImmaRebel do you know how both Sam King and Larry Gentry were able to play in 12 games and have 1000+ yards in 1979 (or is there an error on the stats site)?
UNLV had their third exceptional Head Football Coach in a row with Tony Knapp (1976-1982). He was an Offensive genius, especially with the wide open passing attack that he ran. That’s how both King and Gentry were able to each throw for over 1000 yards. UNLV home attendance during his tenure as Head Coach was a lot higher than since his departure. UNLV Football was very entertaining during those years.
What happened. When Coach Knapp retired he lobbied hard for his wide receiver coach, Chris Ault, to become his replacement. In what has become a dismal pattern UNLV’s Administration went in a different direction, and Harvey Hyde was hired to become UNLV’s Head Football Coach. Harvey was a good Coach, but some of his recruits seamed to get into trouble with local law enforcement officials (seemingly on a regular basis). At some point, growing tired of the off field troubles, the UNLV President, Bob Maxsom(the worst ever administrator) fired Harvey Hyde like he fired Jerry Tarkanian years thus destroying both Football and Basketball.
Chris Ault went on to greatness at the community college of northern Nevada, and on to the NCAA football coaching HOF.
Speaking of the HOF, Mike Thomas could have easily been in the NFL Hall of Fame had not injuries cut short his career. For UNLV he rushed for over 3100 yards in his two years here, and was phenomenal to watch.
What happened. When Coach Knapp retired he lobbied hard for his wide receiver coach, Chris Ault, to become his replacement. In what has become a dismal pattern UNLV’s Administration went in a different direction, and Harvey Hyde was hired to become UNLV’s Head Football Coach. Harvey was a good Coach, but some of his recruits seamed to get into trouble with local law enforcement officials (seemingly on a regular basis). At some point, growing tired of the off field troubles, the UNLV President, Bob Maxsom(the worst ever administrator) fired Harvey Hyde like he fired Jerry Tarkanian years thus destroying both Football and Basketball.
Chris Ault went on to greatness at the community college of northern Nevada, and on to the NCAA football coaching HOF.
Speaking of the HOF, Mike Thomas could have easily been in the NFL Hall of Fame had not injuries cut short his career. For UNLV he rushed for over 3100 yards in his two years here, and was phenomenal to watch.
This ^^^^^
Randall and Ickey only played together in '84. Ickey had all of 57 yards on 11 rushes that year.
Agreed... but watching Sherry release a ball, it looked like he was underwater with how slow his release was. O-line held off pressure, but between the time he decided to pass and the ball left his hand, he was sacked.
That might be a bit of an exaggeration, but....
I remember watching Mike Thomas appear to be stopped near the line of scrimmage only to have it end up being a 6 or 7 yard run. He was very impressive. Of course he played before UNLV moved up to division I. We were an actual player in division II football.
My memory of Randall Cunningham was of a great athlete who was most impressive punting the damn ball.
My memory of Randall Cunningham was of a great athlete who was most impressive punting the damn ball.
Big dude.
Good arm.
A little bit of a long release. Agreed.
I think it was exacerbated by his lack of confidence (after the Central Michigan game) He never seemed to trust what he saw...
Add indecision to a slightly long release it would certainly match what you saw..
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