Add Diong to the Transfer List
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I am not worried about it even if ever player says they will transfer. The fact they put their names out to transfer has more to do with protecting their future from the unknown then a guarantee that they will be leaving. A lot will depend on if the AD goes out and hits a home run and brings in a good coach, how quickly the coaching search is completed (which could be controlled by candidates that are currently in the NCAA tournament), and how the new coach can quickly relate to the existing players. My expectations are that the AD will find a good candidate, and then it will be up to the new coach to sell the existing players on his abilities as a coach, his past history, and his personality. My expectations are that some of the players that list to transfer will ultimately end up staying at UNLV.
Curious why players would want to announce now, and not in a week or so once it's known who the new coach is?
Understand the loyalty to Menzies and such. But I would assume the better course would be to have a tad of patience and see what the future might hold. Then make a decision. Does it matter if you jump ship now or in a week or two? Probably not with the NCAA going on right now.
Perhaps just the age we live in.
Understand the loyalty to Menzies and such. But I would assume the better course would be to have a tad of patience and see what the future might hold. Then make a decision. Does it matter if you jump ship now or in a week or two? Probably not with the NCAA going on right now.
Perhaps just the age we live in.
Probably. It’s more than just a coach/player relationship severing. Runs deeper. Next coach can repair that, if they want though.
Why wouldn’t you do it? You can talk to other schools no strings attached and get a feeling for the market for you. Then when a coach is hired you can compare those opportunities to the new coach and decide. It actually helps speed up the process also gets you out before other players may opt in to the transfer protocol. Waiting until a new coach is hired, then entering limits the ability to come back (becuase you left knowing the coach) and you might have opportunities close as other transfers take spots.
If they announce after a new coach is named it looks like it is because they are rejecting the new coach instead of showing loyalty to the departed coach.
Also, opening up their options needs to happen soon because signing day is April 17th and there is a very limited recruiting calendar between now and then. They can always transfer later but scholarships will be mostly used up at most of the desirable destinations after mid April.
Until March 31; Apr 11(evening)-Apr 14
RECRUITING PERIOD - Authorized athletics department staff may make in-person,off-campus recruiting contacts and evaluations.
April 1-3
QUIET PERIOD - In-person recruiting contacts may be made only on the college’s campus. No in-person, off-campus contacts or evaluations may occur.
April 4-11; April 15-18
DEAD PERIOD - No in-person recruiting contacts or evaluations,and official and unofficial visits by recruits to the college’s campus are not permitted
The next coach is here to clean house.
“Slow build” diong would have been overrecruited.
“Slow build” diong would have been overrecruited.
After the last 25 years of football and basketball ineptness, UNLV should change their name to Rebuilding U.
That’s what happens when you oust the golden goose who brought you more money and notoriety than any academics could do.
The golden goose ousted himself 29 years ago. Don’t you think it is time to find a different villain for our apparent inability to escape the mire of mediocrity of unlv basketball. Maybe this coaching search will break the curse put some relevance back into unlv b-ball. I am rooting for Desiree. Go Rebels!
You and Maxson and Finfrock did it.
We’ve never come a little bit close to recovering. You got your wish. Basketball is as much of a joke as academics were.
Good for you Hiker.
What would you call the most pivotal decision in UNLV basketball history, aside from the decision to hire the person that put UNLV on the map.
He probably knows more than us.
https://m.lasvegassun.com/blogs/shark-bytes/2008/oct/24/we-would-have-ruined-college-basketball/
It's sad what could've been. When you get that good everyone wants to be a part of it. The university would've pulled in millions in licensing fees, deep pocketed donors would've been coming out of the woodwork, and the whole university would've benefited, not just the basketball program, not just athletics. The WHOLE university. There wouldn't be any wringing of the hands worrying about where the medical school money would be coming from. We'd have dozens of ex-NBA players coming out to hold fundraisers with the rich and famous. Oh well.
Ya think? No brainer. Here we are 25 plus years later losing money, losing fans by the thousands, pride, goodwill.... all dissipating. Because of the morons that were running the school. Yeah, that move put us in a better place today, uh huh.
What might have been is really quite irrelevant. So I refuse to get into that discussion.
The question now is why unlv seems incapable of moving forward. For me, the shadow of what might have been, warps expectations to a degree that every time we hire a coach it has to be a home run. The trouble with swinging for the seats each time you're at bat, you risk striking out.
Striking out is what unlv has been extraordinarily adept at! I hope this hiring process turns out differently but I have little confidence. Go Rebels.
The question now is why unlv seems incapable of moving forward. For me, the shadow of what might have been, warps expectations to a degree that every time we hire a coach it has to be a home run. The trouble with swinging for the seats each time you're at bat, you risk striking out.
Striking out is what unlv has been extraordinarily adept at! I hope this hiring process turns out differently but I have little confidence. Go Rebels.
To go with your analogy Babe Ruth struck out 1330 time and hit 714 home runs. Do you think he set the Yankees back at all since that ratio is nearly 2:1? Is Boston high-fiving over the fact that they got rid of that hack?
I’m all for swinging for the fences and whiffing. Don’t put lipstick on a pig with some hire that only academia approves of since they aren’t overshadowed by that coach and tell me “we’re trying.” I’ve never changed my plans for a night in order to catch the latest physics demonstration but I’ve forked over plenty of cash to watch my favorite school play various sports.
I get that you’re not local and don’t have the deep roots in the city and school that I do (they employ you, you didn’t spend your undergrad and grad here, nor were you born and raised here). Don’t let your undeserved ego get uncomfortable when someone comes in to steal the spotlight from you.
These comments are quite revealing but don't change the fact that regardless of how the Tarkanian era ended, that story is, as they say history, over, in the unchangeable past, hence not helpful when trying to figure how to move forward.
For the record, I have probably lived in LV longer, 46 years, than most of the posters on this site. Apparently the are lot's of people posting here who seem to have ego problems that they insist on projecting on to me. I have never been jealous of anyone else's success, basketball coach or university president.
If you think unlv will be saved by swinging for the fences, great. You are allowed to have that opinion. Massimino was hired as an attempt to swing for the fences. How did that work out?
Each year that goes by with unlv irrelevant in college basketball, makes the rich history that is supposed to attract the "Babe Ruth" of basketball coaches, fade from the memory. So the "Babe Ruths" of the last search were Cronin from U of C and Beard from TTech. Not exactly Babe Ruths. At this point, I don't know if Desiree is swing for the fences or looking for a future Babe Ruth who is still learning his trade in the minors.
The sooner we find out, the better chance that coach has of keeping some of the current rebels on the roster for next year. The more players that don't return, the less well that bodes for next year, and the ultimate success of the next coach. Go Rebels.
For the record, I have probably lived in LV longer, 46 years, than most of the posters on this site. Apparently the are lot's of people posting here who seem to have ego problems that they insist on projecting on to me. I have never been jealous of anyone else's success, basketball coach or university president.
If you think unlv will be saved by swinging for the fences, great. You are allowed to have that opinion. Massimino was hired as an attempt to swing for the fences. How did that work out?
Each year that goes by with unlv irrelevant in college basketball, makes the rich history that is supposed to attract the "Babe Ruth" of basketball coaches, fade from the memory. So the "Babe Ruths" of the last search were Cronin from U of C and Beard from TTech. Not exactly Babe Ruths. At this point, I don't know if Desiree is swing for the fences or looking for a future Babe Ruth who is still learning his trade in the minors.
The sooner we find out, the better chance that coach has of keeping some of the current rebels on the roster for next year. The more players that don't return, the less well that bodes for next year, and the ultimate success of the next coach. Go Rebels.
I just dont get why Hiker is even allowed on this forum considering his involvement in ousting Tark, let alone why he even want to be apart of our fan base.
You, sir, can f**k right off. I mean...don't pass GO. Don't collect $200. Go straight to a place where, if you drop the soap, you immediately change your sexual preference.
I'm 39. Born and raised in this town. I'm not about to get into a pissing contest with you just because you have, what...7 years on me?! If it's true that you were part and parcel to running Tark out of UNLV...I respectfully request that you never post here again.
K, Bye.
These comments are both sad and funny. Actually more than funny, hysterical. Sad because I would bet neither UNLVFansincebirth22 nor Runnin-j cab cite a single connection between me and Tarkanian's resignation as basketball coach. That is because none exists.
I certainly believe he was encouraged, posters here would say coerced, into resigning, but whatever took place happened way above my pay level.
Back to the reason for my original post in this thread, when does what happened in 1990 or 1991 stop being the cause of everything that happens now?
People calm down and let's see what our AD can do to change the trajectory of unlv basketball. Go Rebels!
I certainly believe he was encouraged, posters here would say coerced, into resigning, but whatever took place happened way above my pay level.
Back to the reason for my original post in this thread, when does what happened in 1990 or 1991 stop being the cause of everything that happens now?
People calm down and let's see what our AD can do to change the trajectory of unlv basketball. Go Rebels!
He DID NOT oust himself. As he himself said, usually when you do the things he did you get a raise. You don’t get fired.
The ego on this Mendoza-line hack is amazing! The fact that he comes here to tell us how we, as fans, should temper our expectations proves he’s insecure when it comes to athletics overshadowing his beloved Physics department.
We, as fans, want to hire the best. We want The Babe. You can root for a Bob Eucker level coach if you wish and then act like you give a rat’s .... by ending each of your posts with “Go Rebels.”
WTF. Athletics is in different universe than physics. The people who care about athletics don't care about physics and the people who care about physics mostly don't care about athletics. I may be one of the few people who care about both.
Good luck wanting the Babe. So far it has gotten us nada but disappointment. But why let reality deter wishing. Luckily I have a life outside of unlv basketball. I would love unlv basketball to be great again, but it is not the primary focus of my life.
I can barely wait to see who the new hire is and what the new coach brings to the table. But I don't expect a home run. A solid double off the wall would be great. Go Rebels!
Good luck wanting the Babe. So far it has gotten us nada but disappointment. But why let reality deter wishing. Luckily I have a life outside of unlv basketball. I would love unlv basketball to be great again, but it is not the primary focus of my life.
I can barely wait to see who the new hire is and what the new coach brings to the table. But I don't expect a home run. A solid double off the wall would be great. Go Rebels!
Again, you’re better than the rest of us because you have interests outside of UNLV sports. Here’s a news flash: so do we. This is the hot topic right now so that’s why it’s getting more of our attention.
Once we make our next hire good luck trying to get them fired as well. Maybe this time you can just hold a camera in plain sight instead of planting it in a rafter.
First, thanks for reminding me about the "camera in the rafters." That was pathetic. I did not understand then why someone could have just gone to the gym to see what was afoot. And I still don't understand the reason for the subterfuge. Pretty bizarre.
Secondly, I agree that the coaching search is a hot topic and deserves all the attention it gets here and by the regular media. I read today's LVRJ hoping they would have some real news instead of stale news. But alas, they just re-ran tired rumors except for the bit about Bryce Harper hyping Miller as the next coach.
Secondly, I agree that the coaching search is a hot topic and deserves all the attention it gets here and by the regular media. I read today's LVRJ hoping they would have some real news instead of stale news. But alas, they just re-ran tired rumors except for the bit about Bryce Harper hyping Miller as the next coach.
I have no idea what you mean when you state UNLV shouldn't swing for the fences.
You keep claiming Massimino was some failed home run hire. No one outside of Maxson/Steve Wynn's inner circle believed that an over-the-hill Rollie with his acerbic personality would work in Vegas. Pitino, was a swing-for-fence hire. And yes, if UNLV had hired Rick back in 2001, UNLV would've ravaged the West and become a perennial top 15 program again.
And you want to know the reason why UNLV athletics has fallen into the doldrums of mediocrity and failure? It's not Tark's shadow. It's your UNLV administration and their myopic, apathetic, and incompetent bodies of work for 40 years.
UNLV is a mid-major program with limited finances and an administration that would rather not deal with athletics. Even if the AD were to luck out and hire some young, rising college coaching star, who's to stop some blue blood program from poaching the coach?
If UNLV were ever to return to greatness, they need to revert back to the what transpired in the '70s at UNLV and what currently happens at other schools in the SEC: some fanatical boosters will need to have a bigger involvement in hiring coaches and paying bigger $ to those coaches. It was boosters who hired Tark, and it was Alabama boosters who hired Nick Saban. Big time boosters who have to be ones that right the ship at UNLV.
And I realize you don't want to revisit the past, but it bears repeating why UNLV fans are incensed at you for continuing to claim after all these years that Maxson was correct in getting rid of Tark.
What Tarkanian accomplished at UNLV was nothing short of miraculous. Tark turned a small school in a crap conference, into not only a powerful program, but a cultural phenomenon. You couldn't go into a Mall anywhere in the country without seeing someone sporting Rebels gear. UNLV had a HOF coach, arguably the best college basketball assistant in the country, and bluechip prospects from all over the country were dreaming of playing for the Rebels.
The school had a once-in-a-lifetime, golden opportunity to cash in on Tark's accomplishments into something permanent, something would last for generations. If Maxson had just supported the football program, perhaps reinstated the booster program, stood behind Tark (even with the bs NCAA probation, UNLV would have been a powerhouse team for at least an additional 10 years), it's incontrovertible that UNLV would have been accepted into Power 5 Conference. Which would have reaped massive amount of $ to academics, research, athletics. Everyone would've won. But it never happened because a certain President was envious of a certain's coach's popularity and the NCAA conversations were embarrassing at the elitist, cocktail parties.
It's just strange to me that after people would still stand behind Maxson after the Massimino contract and Tark winning 2 million with his lawsuit against the NCAA. I wonder if Wynn and Smith would admit - albeit privately - that they were wrong in their roles in destroying UNLV basketball. I bet they would.
Don’t hurt the dude too badly, he’s old.
Nicely done though.
If people gave their honest opinions of whether they were right or wrong, there’d be a lot of egg on face at UNLV. Not just with Tark, but beyond that. And still ongoing.
He’s a dookie. He’s happy we suck and he’s happy Duke beat us by 49 and he’s happy Duke won today.
Nobody can claim to be both a UNLV fan and Duke fan. Red Sox fans cannot be Yankee fans.
He’s allegiance lies elsewhere, we suck and have suffered, he’s as happy as a pig in *#*#.
Joe, you have no clue. I was rooting for UCF. I stopped rooting for duke when the beat us in 1990. I still support the graduate college but was hoping ucf would send coac K home.
I actually agree with most of what soul cane said. I am not convinced that if Tarkanian continued coaching that unlv would have been invited to join a P-5 conference. The wild card in the speculation is the role of the ncaa. Whether or not Massimino was a good hire, Maxson and Wynn viewed it as a home run. They were swinging for the fences. I have no idea what was going with the Pinto fiasco but I agree that whatever that was about, it was swinging for fences. And it did not work out well. Not only was Pinto not hired, but his not being hired has become another “fact” in the continued rants about the incompetence of unlv’s administration.
Personally, I would love to know more about the interaction between Maxson and Tarkanian. But alas, that will remain the great mystery.
I actually agree with most of what soul cane said. I am not convinced that if Tarkanian continued coaching that unlv would have been invited to join a P-5 conference. The wild card in the speculation is the role of the ncaa. Whether or not Massimino was a good hire, Maxson and Wynn viewed it as a home run. They were swinging for the fences. I have no idea what was going with the Pinto fiasco but I agree that whatever that was about, it was swinging for fences. And it did not work out well. Not only was Pinto not hired, but his not being hired has become another “fact” in the continued rants about the incompetence of unlv’s administration.
Personally, I would love to know more about the interaction between Maxson and Tarkanian. But alas, that will remain the great mystery.
EVERYONE but those two clowns saw it as a complete strikeout. There was nothing home run about him. He was done before he started and all the holier than thous were dishonest and deceitful.
I remember listening to how everyone felt about Rollie when he was hired, and I didn't run into anyone that thought that was a good hire.
I hope all you physicists burn in Hell.
Most useless degree out there. Ain’t nobody going to Mars..let alone to the moon supposedly.
Proud Flat Earther here
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