2016-17 roster potential

[Mjs_702]

Win against Reno last night was fun. Great effort from a shorthand bunch.

I'm still behind this years team all the way but considering the way the season has gone it's not unreasonable at this point to look ahead. The talent and balance on next years team could be really special, assuming it can be largely held together.

Seniors: Carter, Obekpa
Juniors: McCaw, Morgan. Cornish
Sophs: Zimm?, DJ, Poyser
Fresh: Fisher, Jackson, Vital, Johnson

There will be changes no doubt, but the cupboard could be very full for the right coach. The results haven't been there yet but count me as one who hopes the core of this team can be kept very much intact.

 

[REBin2011]

I am preparing for the worst, a less than spectacular hire resulting in mass transfer and losing most of the recruiting class, replacing them with lesser players. I have no source to back this up, back we know how this program has operated.

I would be less surprised if Carter and Obekpa (can't transfer) were the only guys back than if most guys stayed/recruits came. Fill out the rest of the roster with different freshman, a few 5th year guys and a few transfers who will be eligible in 17-18.

 

[j. spilotro]

Win against Reno last night was fun. Great effort from a shorthand bunch.

I'm still behind this years team all the way but considering the way the season has gone it's not unreasonable at this point to look ahead. The talent and balance on next years team could be really special, assuming it can be largely held together.

Seniors: Carter, Obekpa
Juniors: McCaw, Morgan. Cornish
Sophs: Zimm?, DJ, Poyser
Fresh: Fisher, Jackson, Vital, Johnson

There will be changes no doubt, but the cupboard could be very full for the right coach. The results haven't been there yet but count me as one who hopes the core of this team can be kept very much intact.

It can be anything between a bare bones, growing pains season to an exciting, ranked type of season. The hire is huge in determining that.

 

[Mjs_702]

It can be anything between a bare bones, growing pains season to an exciting, ranked type of season. The hire is huge in determining that.

If we were to miss on the big names with experience like Pitino and Miller do you think Head Coach Augmon could keep it together?

Pure speculation obviously

 

[USA_REBEL]

If we were to miss on the big names with experience like Pitino and Miller do you think Head Coach Augmon could keep it together?

Pure speculation obviously

I'm not happy with the idea of promoting Augmon to head coach. I think we need to rid ourselves of anything to do Rice, unfortunately. I know that Augmon let Rice take the lead, as it should have been, but the results WITH Augmon on staff was anything but spectacular.

IMO, I haven't seen anything from Augmon that would make me want to consider him. #1 strategy should be to get a BIG name hire like Pitino or Miller. That would be a home-run and a potentially awesome season. Otherwise, pick from the next best candidate and wipe our hands of the mess that was the Dave Rice era. If we were to keep Augmon, we could potentially be looking at another 5 year drought, which would bring the program down to a whole other level--I don't think I could take another 5 years of pain, suffering, and grief!!!

 

[UNLVAlumni]

When you say you haven't seen anything out of Augmon what criteria are you basing your opinion on? Im curious.

 

[Mjs_702]

USA Rebel, thanks for your reply. We all agree with the idea that Pitino or Miller would be the best choice.

I agree with little else in your post though. Different strokes. Stacey isn't the reason this team underachieved for the last two years and saying you want to purge everyone because Dave Rice seems incredibly short sighted to me.

If you can't hire a proven head coach, I don't think you can do better than Stacey. You can disagree. Again, different strokes.

 

[BleedRebelRed90]

Tyrell Green should be back, either as a junior (if the medical redshirt is granted) or as a senior. If he is granted the MRS my understanding is that he would only be able to play two more seasons if he stays here, otherwise the "five years to play four" would mean after he sits out he would only have one left.

I really don't know much more about Green than I did six months ago. How much he would be contributing now if he was healthy?

 

[USA_REBEL]

When you say you haven't seen anything out of Augmon what criteria are you basing your opinion on? Im curious.

Let me put it this way.... I understand that Rice was the head coach and the majority of responsibility lays squarely on him. But, the success of the team also relies on the assistant coaches as well. If assistant coaches had no influence on the success of a team, then there would be no point of having them on staff in the first place, correct? Augmon was part of the mess which was the Dave Rice era. He obviously had influence and some responsibility for the success of the team--and look at the result. Not good! Not to mention after Rice was fired, his responsibility and influence on the team would have without doubt increased dramatically. Again, look at the results--even worse!

Now lets look at this from another standpoint. Maybe he was letting Rice completely control the ship. He just sat back and let Rice do his thing. Well, what does that tell you about his leadership as an assistant? I sure as hell don't want a head coach that's not going to step it up in challenging situations... otherwise we just have Rice 2.0!!! So, either he doesn't have the skills to be an assistant coach, let alone a head coach, or just goes with flow regardless of the outcome. Neither of these sounds like a good candidate for the job!

I can't find any reason for us to give him the head coach job... unless absolutely nobody else wants the job. If anybody has any real reasons as to why HE SHOULD get the job, please enlighten me, because I surely don't see it.

 

[the Florian Trout]

i sure hope Carter can get back to it. i really really enjoyed watching him hustle and play this year. super solid.

i am very excited for Jackson, but Fisher is the one i am most excited for.

so yeah, i'm with you, i would like to see things stay intact too.

 

[USA_REBEL]

USA Rebel, thanks for your reply. We all agree with the idea that Pitino or Miller would be the best choice.

I agree with little else in your post though. Different strokes. Stacey isn't the reason this team underachieved for the last two years and saying you want to purge everyone because Dave Rice seems incredibly short sighted to me.

If you can't hire a proven head coach, I don't think you can do better than Stacey. You can disagree. Again, different strokes.

I have to disagree with you also. If we can't hire a proven, elite head coach, we DEFINITELY can do better than Augmon. Let me ask you this... What exactly has he done in your eyes to prove that he is head coach material? Sure, Augmon wasn't the only reason why the team underachieved, but he definitely had some influence and he has to share some responsibility for the success/fail of the team.

It sounds like you are completely disregarding the fact that he was an assistant under Rice. That a big deal. IMO, he was VERY responsible and had to have had a large role in the teams success or failure. I agree that that Augmon wasn't the SOLE reason for the team underachieving--but, he definitely did have to play a role in it! You can't just ignore the fact that he was part of this mess!

 

[j. spilotro]

I have to disagree with you also. If we can't hire a proven, elite head coach, we DEFINITELY can do better than Augmon. Let me ask you this... What exactly has he done in your eyes to prove that he is head coach material? Sure, Augmon wasn't the only reason why the team underachieved, but he definitely had some influence and he has to share some responsibility for the success/fail of the team.

It sounds like you are completely disregarding the fact that he was an assistant under Rice. That a big deal. IMO, he was VERY responsible and had to have had a large role in the teams success or failure. I agree that that Augmon wasn't the SOLE reason for the team underachieving--but, he definitely did have to play a role in it! You can't just ignore the fact that he was part of this mess!

Hard to paint things like this with a broad brush. Jay Wright was part of the Rollie Massimino mess.

 

[BleedRebelRed90]

i sure hope Carter can get back to it. i really really enjoyed watching him hustle and play this year. super solid.

i am very excited for Jackson, but Fisher is the one i am most excited for.

so yeah, i'm with you, i would like to see things stay intact too.

Fisher is the point guard we have needed for a long time.

I am excited for Jackson, but he is the one I am least confident in ever seeing in a UNLV uniform. Jackson is only a verbal commit and he could pick about anywhere he wants to go if he decides to bail.

 

[USA_REBEL]

Hard to paint things like this with a broad brush. Jay Wright was part of the Rollie Massimino mess.

I hear you. But, I don't feel it's worth the risk with Augmon. Do you want another 5 seasons of underachievement and heartbreak? I sure don't! I'm not saying it wouldn't work out. Heck, I was happier than anyone the day Rice got hired. But, that experiment is over, and I just don't think its time to try the experiment again so soon.

 

[Mjs_702]

Do you want another 5 seasons of underachievement and heartbreak?

Welcome to the board. There's a whole thread dedicated to Stacey's coaching viability. Better to move this conversation there. Many of us have weighed in on the topic.

Assuming with Coach Stacey Augmon we'd "have amother 5 seasons of underachievement and heartbreak" (Dramatic much, BTW) is both silly and unfair. Following it up by saying "I'm not saying it wouldn't work out" just makes the whole thing strange.

You're entitled to your opinion, but if your opinion is that Augmon is to blame for Rice's head coaching, I don't buy it.

 

[j. spilotro]

I hear you. But, I don't feel it's worth the risk with Augmon. Do you want another 5 seasons of underachievement and heartbreak? I sure don't! I'm not saying it wouldn't work out. Heck, I was happier than anyone the day Rice got hired. But, that experiment is over, and I just don't think its time to try the experiment again so soon.

I wasn't defending or bashing your opinion. Just saying making conclusions when painting with a very broad brush doesn't always add up.

 

[USA_REBEL]

Welcome to the board. There's a whole thread dedicated to Stacey's coaching viability. Better to move this conversation there. Many of us have weighed in on the topic.

Assuming with Coach Stacey Augmon we'd "have amother 5 seasons of underachievement and heartbreak" (Dramatic much, BTW) is both silly and unfair. Following it up by saying "I'm not saying it wouldn't work out" just makes the whole thing strange.

You're entitled to your opinion, but if your opinion is that Augmon is to blame for Rice's head coaching, I don't buy it.

I'm not saying we'll definitely 100% have 5 more terrible seasons if Augmon is coach. If history tell us anything, we all know its a possibility though. But, its a risk/reward situation, and I personally think its a very risky move to promote him to HC, especially after our first failed experiment with Rice. Could he work out and become one of the best coaches we've ever had? Of course! But, I just don't think its the right time to risk another ex-player to HC experiment. Can you imagine the state of the program if the current trend continues even for a few more seasons?

Also, I'm not saying that "Augmon is to blame for Rice's head coaching". But, he was a part of the staff. He had influence. You can't just brush it off and lay no blame on him whatsoever either!

 

[Doneoett]

If the roster stays the course the potential will be astronomical. I always wanted to use astronomical.

 

[rebelluver]

No matter who stays or who goes, or who comes in to coach, this team will have to learn how to play correctly so the learning curve will be steep and it will take some time.

 

[Mjs_702]

Also, I'm not saying that "Augmon is to blame for Rice's head coaching". But, he was a part of the staff. He had influence. You can't just brush it off and lay no blame on him whatsoever either!

He did have influence. Good, positive influence. Just because the team has been disappointing for the last 2 years doesn't mean every part of it was bad. Doesn't work that way. Broad brush is no good.

Stacey has been a bright spot for this program on a number of levels, which we discussed at length in the Augmon coaching thread. Feel free to disagree but maybe take it over there.

 

[Doubleyew]

I don't know if I'm alone here, but I can tell you I'm really sick of *potential* and the amount of stars so-and-so has and they're 'going to dominate'. It's hot air.

 

[Rebyellion]

Pitino

 

[sandracer250]

He did have influence. Good, positive influence. Just because the team has been disappointing for the last 2 years doesn't mean every part of it was bad. Doesn't work that way. Broad brush is no good.

Stacey has been a bright spot for this program on a number of levels, which we discussed at length in the Augmon coaching thread. Feel free to disagree but maybe take it over there.

Not quite sure what you infatuation is with Augmon. He has had absolutely zero influence on the players and hasn't developed any big man whatsoever like he was suppose to. He also has zero coaching experience other than being an empty suit on the bench for the past five years on Rice's staff. So I don't know what "bright spot" you are referring to. Augmon is not remotely close to being on the list to become the next head coach for a reason.

 

[rebelluver]

Not quite sure what you infatuation is with Augmon. He has had absolutely zero influence on the players and hasn't developed any big man whatsoever like he was suppose to. He also has zero coaching experience other than being an empty suit on the bench for the past five years on Rice's staff. So I don't know what "bright spot" you are referring to. Augmon is not remotely close to being on the list to become the next head coach for a reason.

No coaching experience besides being an empty suit huh? Early favorite for most ignorant post of the year.

 

[sandracer250]

Yup an empty suit. That is all he has been. He wasn't an assistant or head coach in the nba for a reason. He was a "player developer." So tell us what COACHING experience he has. Just because you are part of a 20 member nba staff doesn't mean you can coach. Augmon couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.

 

[rebelluver]

Yup an empty suit. That is all he has been. He wasn't an assistant or head coach in the nba for a reason. He was a "player developer." So tell us what COACHING experience he has. Just because you are part of a 20 member nba staff doesn't mean you can coach. Augmon couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.

Saying he can't coach is your opinion and you are entitled to that. Saying he has no experience can be argued against by facts. He has been in coaching since his NBA career ended.

He has experience, there is no denying that.

 

[LVKryptonite]

Wow Sand. Never let it be said that you did not express exactly how you feel.

I do not think that what happened under Rice has as much bearing as a 1st year coach, Rebel alum, championship player, etc. I do think that Stacey does bear some burden, but if you look at the defense (from what I understand he was responsible for that - could be wrong) of this team, it is actually pretty good.

 

[USA_REBEL]

Its just not worth the risk to gamble on Augmon. Now is definitely not the time. We took the risk when we hired RIce, and it just didn't work out. His ability as a head coach is completely unknown. He could be one of the best coaches we've ever had, or he could also land up being the worst. We need to hire an experienced, and possibly Elite coach before the program spirals out of control!

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Wow Sand. Never let it be said that you did not express exactly how you feel.

I do not think that what happened under Rice has as much bearing as a 1st year coach, Rebel alum, championship player, etc. I do think that Stacey does bear some burden, but if you look at the defense (from what I understand he was responsible for that - could be wrong) of this team, it is actually pretty good.

Stacey is in charge of defense. Ryan Miller is in charge of the offense.

Unlv does not have the money to hire a 'big time' coach without substantial booster help.

Rumor is the money is there, but...and this is a huge but, the boosters will all have to agree. Certain boosters may be willing to throw money at candidates A and B but not C and vice versa.

Funny how people are so willing to spend other peoples money.

I will support whoever is hired as the next coach. I have prefrences of who I would like to see, but I am pretty sure my RAF donations are not big enough that the real money folks give a damn what I think.

 

[GreedyGreg]

Stacey is in charge of defense. Ryan Miller is in charge of the offense.

Unlv does not have the money to hire a 'big time' coach without substantial booster help.

Rumor is the money is there, but...and this is a huge but, the boosters will all have to agree. Certain boosters may be willing to throw money at candidates A and B but not C and vice versa.

Funny how people are so willing to spend other peoples money.

It's always about the money or lack thereof. Harvard of the West.

Augmon couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.

Hmmmmm, okay.

I think SA would at least be able to command some respect out of the players.

I sure hope when the next coach calls a timeout, that the players actually pay attention in the huddle.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

It's always about the money or lack thereof. Harvard of the West.


Hmmmmm, okay.

I think SA would at least be able to command some respect out of the players.

I sure hope when the next coach calls a timeout, that the players actually pay attention in the huddle.

Pretty much.

Although it seems like a little more money is finding its way to football vs years past. A lot of that can be attributed to coach Sanchez' efforts.

 

[the Florian Trout]

Pretty much.

Although it seems like a little more money is finding its way to football vs years past. A lot of that can be attributed to coach Sanchez' efforts.

Sanchez is great. ran into him right after he was hired and chatted for a bit. at that point, i knew we had someone who was dead set to make a difference. that doesn't always end up being the only thing that matters (i.e., Rice), but it's the right foundation to be successful. hopefully he continues making progress and beating UNR.

 

[Mjs_702]

No coaching experience besides being an empty suit huh? Early favorite for most ignorant post of the year.

Well said. Enough said.
Better you that me. I'm learning not to respond to the silly ish.

 

[TarkisGod]

Caling Stacey Augmon nothing but an "empty suit" is both disrespectful of the finest person to ever play for UNLV, but also...mis-informed.

The reasons why he deserves a chance have been enumerated by myself and others. But I know one thing. He became a great player for our NC team. He became a skilled player during his 16-year NBA career. He knows the game, and he knows how to play it at it's highest level. The same could not be said for Dave Rice. So lumping them together is unfair.

Isn't it possible that his history of success and his work ethic could carry over into becoming a quality head coach? I assume that anyone who could speak in such a disparaging manner about Stacey Augmon, wasn't around the program in '88-'91.

I'm all for a hire of Pitino or Miller. But if the financial constraints, or other reasons, make that a no-go, then give Augmon a shot.

 

[UNLVAlumni]

That's been my point. If we don't bring in a big time respected and accomplished coach then they need to look at Augmon at least. Because if it isn't a worthy coach then they start look at guys like the Arizona Asst. who only had 4 years as a HC and who's record was below .500.

I think that is an experiment just as much as giving Augmon a shot.

I don't have a clue who or what is happening but I am worried they might screw this up bringing in a guy who isn't a good fit in my opinion.

Why in the world they haven't thought of Brad Underwood is a great example of them not knowing what they are doing.

There is a rumor that Pitino's had conversations with a casino person who I can only assume is Wynn because they are friends. Wynn hasn't been involved with the program since before Tark was run out.