…wasn’t the only reason.

[unlv7163]

Came across this article that says the PAC 12 decision to not invite UNLV was due in part to being tied to Reno, “but wasn’t the only reason”. Any idea what that means? They say after that they wanted to keep options open, but thought it could be more than that. Came from an “industry source” so not sure how viable the information is. Just thought it’s interesting.

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[Bullmastiff 1]

Came across this article that says the PAC 12 decision to not invite UNLV was due in part to being tied to Reno, “but wasn’t the only reason”. Any idea what that means? They say after that they wanted to keep options open, but thought it could be more than that. Came from an “industry source” so not sure how viable the information is. Just thought it’s interesting.

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If true only things I can think of are...

UNLV was never really a top option to begin with.

UNLV doesn't have the money to pay an exit fee.

UNLV is listening to other offers potentially from the AAC and weighing their options.

UNLV feels or knows a BIG12 invite is coming.

I can't think of any other hurdles.

I also don't think the BOR would block the move when push came to shove. Sure they might grandstand and make a show of it but don't think they would block it.

Although after reading the entire article it sounds like this was a plan from a year ago not anything that has been linked recently. (Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong?)

 

[ckfitz]

If true only things I can think of are...

UNLV was never really a top option to begin with.

UNLV doesn't have the money to pay an exit fee.

UNLV is listening to other offers potentially from the AAC and weighing their options.

UNLV feels or knows a BIG12 invite is coming.

I can't think of any other hurdles.

I also don't think the BOR would block the move when push came to shove. Sure they might grandstand and make a show of it but don't think they would block it.

Although after reading the entire article it sounds like this was a plan from a year ago not anything that has been linked recently. (Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong?)

The article said that another reason UNLV wasn't chosen is because they wanted additional schools to be located more towards the east. If tying UNLV and Reno was a major cause, how did they know that without talking with the Regents? Something is not right here. I also think that wanting to get schools outside of the west, seems like a weak secondary reason for not choosing UNLV. I'm becoming more suspicious.

 

[Rod_the_Rebel]

Maybe there are 12 large reasons why

 

[Boston Rebel 2]

The article said that another reason UNLV wasn't chosen is because they wanted additional schools to be located more towards the east. If tying UNLV and Reno was a major cause, how did they know that without talking with the Regents? Something is not right here. I also think that wanting to get schools outside of the west, seems like a weak secondary reason for not choosing UNLV. I'm becoming more suspicious.

Supposedly because they believe Vegas is a pro sports town and not as much upside for college. And not worth the exit fee payment.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Supposedly because they believe Vegas is a pro sports town and not as much upside for college. And not worth the exit fee payment.

You mean like Colorado.

 

[Masked_rebel]

Supposedly because they believe Vegas is a pro sports town and not as much upside for college. And not worth the exit fee payment.

Nah, I think Boise and SDSU didnt want to involve Vegas out of pettiness. They feel vulnerable to the Vegas situation and know something we all dont about other conversations... Boise doesnt want to lose its precious stance as the Cinderella powerhouse of the West and SDSU just out of spite.

 

[LocoRebel]

Maybe there are 12 large reasons why

That could be a big deal. Like if UNLV had beaten KU by 12.

 

[Rod_the_Rebel]

Let’s use Nicholas cage-in-National treasure logic.

4 quarters in a game.
Big 12.
12/4 =3
UNLV won by 3
UNLV is going to the Big 12


America.

 

[LocoRebel]

Let’s use Nicholas cage-in-National treasure logic.

4 quarters in a game.
Big 12.
12/4 =3
UNLV won by 3
UNLV is going to the Big 12


America.

I'd see that in theatres

 

[Masked_rebel]

Let’s use Nicholas cage-in-National treasure logic.

4 quarters in a game.
Big 12.
12/4 =3
UNLV won by 3
UNLV is going to the Big 12


America.

Add:
UNLV got 2 first downs from inside the 1
UNLV won 2 games vs Big 12
1,2= 12
UNLV to the Big 12...

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Nah, I think Boise and SDSU didnt want to involve Vegas out of pettiness. They feel vulnerable to the Vegas situation and know something we all dont about other conversations... Boise doesnt want to lose its precious stance as the Cinderella powerhouse of the West and SDSU just out of spite.

Involve in initial conversation or at all? Like ever?

 

[Rebelbacker]

UNLV was not in the first wave for one of two reasons.

1. In order to get approval the BOR have to vote on it. That means it is public. So the PAC would not be able to keep it quiet like they did until the announcement. Once it is announced it doesn't matter. The Pac can pick us up on their timeline with the terms they dictate.

2. They don't want us.

 

[1Tripoda]

UNLV was not in the first wave for one of two reasons.

1. In order to get approval the BOR have to vote on it. That means it is public. So the PAC would not be able to keep it quiet like they did until the announcement. Once it is announced it doesn't matter. The Pac can pick us up on their timeline with the terms they dictate.

2. They don't want us.

Who are"they"? Sound like SUDS and Boise.

 

[Masked_rebel]

Who are"they"? Sound like SUDS and Boise.

That's exactly who... they want to each dominate their respective premier sport.. we're taking Boises thunder and SDSU basketball wants to be Gonzaga... it's pettiness and spite. I imagine if we are invited, there will be some tier or something granting the first 6 a higher share of media rights

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

That's exactly who... they want to each dominate their respective premier sport.. we're taking Boises thunder and SDSU basketball wants to be Gonzaga... it's pettiness and spite. I imagine if we are invited, there will be some tier or something granting the first 6 a higher share of media rights

This is purely a hypothetical question and if you have better suggestions definitely offer them up. I'm going off top of my head here first schools that come to mind.

Let's say everyone in the MWC remaining stays put and MWC with this exit money buy out or whatever is decides to expand.

AFA is likely out. (I'm keeping Hawaii as football only)

So we are down to..

UNLV
UNM
Utah State
San Jose State
Hawaii
Wyoming
Reno

MWC tries to get back to 12....

NMSU
LIBERTY
TULSA
TEXAS STATE (I know I know but growing program)
UTEP

Kick Tulsa out and go Rice? North Texas?
I'm asking as a nuclear option UNLV is stuck what teams would you want MWC to attempt to add?

 

[Masked_rebel]

This is purely a hypothetical question and if you have better suggestions definitely offer them up. I'm going off top of my head here first schools that come to mind.

Let's say everyone in the MWC remaining stays put and MWC with this exit money buy out or whatever is decides to expand.

AFA is likely out. (I'm keeping Hawaii as football only)

So we are down to..

UNLV
UNM
Utah State
San Jose State
Hawaii
Wyoming
Reno

MWC tries to get back to 12....

NMSU
LIBERTY
TULSA
TEXAS STATE (I know I know but growing program)
UTEP

Kick Tulsa out and go Rice? North Texas?
I'm asking as a nuclear option UNLV is stuck what teams would you want MWC to attempt to add?

Too many bad Texas programs.. Why not grab Montana and bring them to the big leagues, they have a great school and program. Then I'd probably look at Rice, maybe LA Tech, but I'm avoiding NMSU because we don't need two NM programs, avoiding Liberty for reasons that I'm not sold on their value ad... I'd like to think adding NDSU could be huge too, but man you can't add 2 subdivision teams at once, so maybe you add a North Texas, what about Northern Illinois? That's what 12?
Montana
Rice
UNT
LATech
NIU...
Not sure it's great but there's still some good markets and football schools in there

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Too many bad Texas programs.. Why not grab Montana and bring them to the big leagues, they have a great school and program. Then I'd probably look at Rice, maybe LA Tech, but I'm avoiding NMSU because we don't need two NM programs, avoiding Liberty for reasons that I'm not sold on their value ad... I'd like to think adding NDSU could be huge too, but man you can't add 2 subdivision teams at once, so maybe you add a North Texas, what about Northern Illinois? That's what 12?
Montana
Rice
UNT
LATech
NIU...
Not sure it's great but there's still some good markets and football schools in there

NIU would be great but would they want that travel?

Agree I think 2 FCS schools might be too many.

Stealing from yours a bit.

UNLV
RENO
USU
WYO
UH
UNM
SJSU

Plus (I'm sticking with Tulsa trying to keep some regionalism)

TULSA
N TEXAS (Or Texas State)
LA Tech
ND STATE (OR MONTANA)
RICE

 

[unlv7163]

NIU would be great but would they want that travel?

Agree I think 2 FCS schools might be too many.

Stealing from yours a bit.

UNLV
RENO
USU
WYO
UH
UNM
SJSU

Plus (I'm sticking with Tulsa trying to keep some regionalism)

TULSA
N TEXAS (Or Texas State)
LA Tech
ND STATE (OR MONTANA)
RICE

If we are rebuilding the MWC, my first choice would be to probably try to get to 9 for football and attempt to get Gonzaga, St Mary’s and maybe Pepperdine or San Diego for basketball and other sports. I’d attempt to get UTSA and another Texas school (Texas St, Rice or N Texas) first. After that than I don’t think I’d look at the Dakota and/or Montana schools. NDSU is at least a name brand (relatively speaking) and would help at least a little with a new media deal.

That being said, if the ACC is able to make Clemson and Florida St happy and convince them to stay and stabilizes that conference, the new PAC becomes a stronger possibility. I do think the PAC will try to get to 9, so even if Memphis and Tulane join them, then it would still leave them a school shy (without the possibility of Cal/Stanford coming back) and I think we’d make the most sense in that scenario. Who knows though. These things change daily it seems. Personally, I’m not sure why Memphis and Tulane are all that appealing. Can’t imagine it would improve any media deal that much and would suck for those 2 schools logistically.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

If we are rebuilding the MWC, my first choice would be to probably try to get to 9 for football and attempt to get Gonzaga, St Mary’s and maybe Pepperdine or San Diego for basketball and other sports. I’d attempt to get UTSA and another Texas school (Texas St, Rice or N Texas) first. After that than I don’t think I’d look at the Dakota and/or Montana schools. NDSU is at least a name brand (relatively speaking) and would help at least a little with a new media deal.

That being said, if the ACC is able to make Clemson and Florida St happy and convince them to stay and stabilizes that conference, the new PAC becomes a stronger possibility. I do think the PAC will try to get to 9, so even if Memphis and Tulane join them, then it would still leave them a school shy (without the possibility of Cal/Stanford coming back) and I think we’d make the most sense in that scenario. Who knows though. These things change daily it seems. Personally, I’m not sure why Memphis and Tulane are all that appealing. Can’t imagine it would improve any media deal that much and would suck for those 2 schools logistically.

It looks like ACC thing might be resolved.

I'll be honest, and I know this is blasphemous on these boards but I would 100% get football taken care of first and then figure out potential basketball additions afterwards.

I don't disagree or think your idea is bad or wrong but football is driving all this shuffling.

Plus does Gonaga want to even leave. That's already a decent basketball conference. I'm not sure about their media deal.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

If we are rebuilding the MWC, my first choice would be to probably try to get to 9 for football and attempt to get Gonzaga, St Mary’s and maybe Pepperdine or San Diego for basketball and other sports. I’d attempt to get UTSA and another Texas school (Texas St, Rice or N Texas) first. After that than I don’t think I’d look at the Dakota and/or Montana schools. NDSU is at least a name brand (relatively speaking) and would help at least a little with a new media deal.

That being said, if the ACC is able to make Clemson and Florida St happy and convince them to stay and stabilizes that conference, the new PAC becomes a stronger possibility. I do think the PAC will try to get to 9, so even if Memphis and Tulane join them, then it would still leave them a school shy (without the possibility of Cal/Stanford coming back) and I think we’d make the most sense in that scenario. Who knows though. These things change daily it seems. Personally, I’m not sure why Memphis and Tulane are all that appealing. Can’t imagine it would improve any media deal that much and would suck for those 2 schools logistically.

Memphis has been solid football program for a bit now. Tulane more recently. Both are in pretty large markets.

Memphis has been rumored in the past for both ACC and I think Big12 even kicked the tires.

I think Cal/Stanford at least for the near future are staying put.

 

[Masked_rebel]

Stop trying to build a conference with basketball only members. There's not going to be enough money to go around for the football schools, why bring in basketball only programs. Again, these media deals aren't being paid because basketball. If they don't have football, we don't have anything to give them.

 

[unlv7163]

Memphis has been solid football program for a bit now. Tulane more recently. Both are in pretty large markets.

Memphis has been rumored in the past for both ACC and I think Big12 even kicked the tires.

I think Cal/Stanford at least for the near future are staying put.

I get the cities being large markets, but even in those cities, Tennessee and LSU are king. Just can’t imagine anyone would say ‘here’s another $20m per season since you got those 2 universities. I could be completely wrong however.

From your early post, I do agree that taking care of football is a priority, just thought a stronger basketball conference could help a little bit overall.

At the end of the day, we are not in a good postiition presently. Best thing we can do is continue to improve our standing by continuing to improve football. It’s unlikely we finish well enough to qualify for the playoffs, but doing so would go a long way obviously.

 

[unlv7163]

Stop trying to build a conference with basketball only members. There's not going to be enough money to go around for the football schools, why bring in basketball only programs. Again, these media deals aren't being paid because basketball. If they don't have football, we don't have anything to give them.

Well the Big East (basketball only) just signed a deal worth $80m annually, so there certainly is some value. We wouldn’t be able to command that much, but I do think it would help a bit. Could be wrong though. Often am. Just was the reason behind my thinking there.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

I get the cities being large markets, but even in those cities, Tennessee and LSU are king. Just can’t imagine anyone would say ‘here’s another $20m per season since you got those 2 universities. I could be completely wrong however.

From your early post, I do agree that taking care of football is a priority, just thought a stronger basketball conference could help a little bit overall.

At the end of the day, we are not in a good postiition presently. Best thing we can do is continue to improve our standing by continuing to improve football. It’s unlikely we finish well enough to qualify for the playoffs, but doing so would go a long way obviously.

I'm maybe being a foolish optimist once again with UNLV, but I think a deal with the PAC is ultimately reached.

If applying odds to where this lands..

60% chance We end up in PAC

50-50 We end up in AAC along with AFA and possibly 2 other MWC schools to make up loss of Memphis and Tulane and get them to 16. (God I hope my math was right there)

20% Chance UNLV and remainder of MWC stand firm and conference does its own poaching to rebuild.

10% MWC/AAC go crazy and merge into a mega conference.

10% This goes completely sideways MWC dissolves and UNLV ends up in CUSA or some MWC/CUSA merger.

1% BIG12 happens.

Yeah I know that doesn't add up to 100% Math isn't my strong suit.

 

[Masked_rebel]

Well the Big East (basketball only) just signed a deal worth $80m annually, so there certainly is some value. We wouldn’t be able to command that much, but I do think it would help a bit. Could be wrong though. Often am. Just was the reason behind my thinking there.

The Big East isn't a power conference and is exclusively Basketball and carries the top non-foootball schools in the Country with Villinova, Marquette, Creighton, and UCONN with a primarily East Coast based media market... they are not the same