question from an outsider
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UNLV got Findlay players. Wouldn’t call it a pipeline. Those kids played high level all over the country. They weren’t going just to UNLV. Bennett (1 year), Vaughn (1 year), Wood (2 years)... therein lies part of the problem. No stability with your top talent. A larger problem, IMO - they were focused on the league, not college.
A lot of talent but a lot of pieces that didn’t mix super well, some entitlement, a lack of a true higher level PG, lack of cohesiveness with roster. A lot say x’s and o’s but that’s highly overrated, coaches run the same stuff and if it was X’s and O’s, how is he beating more talented UNC, Arizona, Indiana, Oregon squads and pretty soundly in some cases.
I feel like UNLV paid the devil for the national championship of 1990.
I wouldn't say there's a struggle. It's been a few years since noise was made. UNLV 2017/2018 season had a recruiting class that was top of Mountain West. But other than that we've lacked those five players. But I don't think they're struggling.
huh? you guys have like 9 scholarship players and i keep reading on this board how half the team left last year and the rest is leaving next year??? you may mot break 12 wins this year. ummm there is clearly an issue
Clearly that post was in jest.
The program is virtually dead. Its all but certain UNLV will never be a perennial NCAA participant. Sweet 16 runs? Elite 8s? You need a new team to root for.
The program is virtually dead. Its all but certain UNLV will never be a perennial NCAA participant. Sweet 16 runs? Elite 8s? You need a new team to root for.
While things do currently suck, I believe it will get better and things will turn around quickly. The lack of bench strength is killing the team, but I don't believe that means we picked a bad coach, but who am I since I supported CMM for 3 years before I figured out he couldn't coach. The current administration and AD see the importance of the athletic department, which never occured in the past, but it takes time to turn things around. I have never seen as much advertising and pushing of football tickets over the Christmas season as I am currently seeing, and I believe this will pay dividends for the entire athletic department.
Even with all those talented recruits Rice was 18-21 against conference opponents in his last 3 years. People were fed up with that. But of course, the haters come out and voice their opinions until he gets fired, and then disappear later if in hindsight the firing looks bad.
Todd Simon (still can’t believe he got the job) took over after Rice was fired and was 8-7 in conference with Rice recruits.
Menzies was 8-10 and 11-7 in conference his last 2 years (nonconference was much worse though).
Based on those results I think that in a year we can get back to the glory days of going 8–10 in conference.
Todd Simon (still can’t believe he got the job) took over after Rice was fired and was 8-7 in conference with Rice recruits.
Menzies was 8-10 and 11-7 in conference his last 2 years (nonconference was much worse though).
Based on those results I think that in a year we can get back to the glory days of going 8–10 in conference.
Conference got significantly weaker and what about the OOC results? What about attendance? What about brand name/attractiveness? And it was for less money with an inexperienced guy who wasn’t going to bolt for greener pastures if things started clicking.
But the conference is so, so much worse now. Statistically, everything.
Right now, with Rice? Guesswork; but logic says it’s way better. I know people don’t like hearing that opinion because it might mean our athletic directors keep screwing up. That doesn’t happen, now, does it?
Menzies gave us the worst three year stretch of any UNLV basketball coach in history and he made it as easy as he could for himself by playing the weakest OOC’s we’ve ever seen and at a time when the conference was far worse than it had ever been. Even with that, he crapped the bed OOC and conference season. But for more money, somehow his results were ok?
But I do understand where you are coming from. Just in some of the little reading in this board, some people are talking ... if we had Marv’s recruits, if we only kept Menzies ... things wouldn’t be as bad as they are.
And I feel about that one as you feel about Rice.
But they are far different points on a downward slope to me and one had potential, the other had none.
It’s not really Rice that annoys me so much. It’s something I see on forums a lot. I will hear the same complaints about a head coach over and over again from people who focus on the negative stuff, then the coach gets fired and if things don’t quickly improve, then people say that coach wasn’t bad and say he never should have been fired.
At least you are consistent with your position on Menzies.
I think one thing that has changed is people were comparing Rice to Kruger (and to some extent, even Tarkanian). Then we saw what Menzies did and now I see Rice being compared to Menzies and suddenly Rice comes off looking much better.
I’m not a fan of Menzies either.
Mendenhall center , 18,000 capacity arena, 3 million population. All u need is to grab .5% of the people that live here! They grabbed almost 5% 30 years ago! The right hire ( UNLV need to commit $$) ! We fill that stadium up to even 75% ( without freebees) and it will pay in itself! Now for the rebuttal...... GO 4 IT!
Tbh, only Rollie should be compared to Menzies. I thought MM was far worse but can see the arguments.
After Tark and Kruger, you have Rice and Bayno. That can be argued, Bayno had a tougher starting point, Rice recruited a little higher (and Bayno was no slouch) and Rice won bigger games. But Bayno won a conference (tied).
Then you have Spoon.
Then a huge, huge drop off to Rollie and MM. But I think Rollie was closer to Spoon than MM.
Can’t really put interims and half year coaches into the mix.
To me, the fan support is huge. If fans ain’t buying it, it’s shit.
San Diego St just whupped a Utah team that beat Kentucky in Lexington, by 28 pts. USU just beat UF Gators in Gainsville
When you say much worse; are you saying the record or the losses and who they loss to?
Beat 1 Top 3 MWC team I believe! That wa as a lucky 3 bye Mooring against UNR.When you say much worse; are you saying the record or the losses and who they loss to?
With their starting guard out.
And with the MWC POY missing the game because of injury.
Well I'm referencing the out of conference record remark. ... . .
Better hope we defeat a ranked team this next five years...
A real man would have instructed their team as see fit. Not use excuses.
Excuses are tools of the .......
Well, our last coach was non stop chock full of excuses.... So yeah, I agree with you.
When you say much worse; are you saying the record or the losses and who they loss to?
I forgot that in his 2nd year the team did a lot better (but later collapsed in conference play). However in his last year the team was 6-6 with a weak schedule.
His last year the schedule was weak, but it was far, far, far better than the schedule he had in year two where he posted 20 wins. He had balls of steel to try and shove that buffet of creampuffs down the fans throats.
Florida A&M, Prarie View, Eastern Washington, Rice, Southern Utah, Oral Roberts, Pacific, Mississippi Valley State, Northern Colorado.
Seriously? That's 9 free wins with nearly all of them being rated worse than #250 in the nation, about 5 of them worse than #300 in the nation. That's being afraid. That's being very afraid to play anybody. That's trying to fool people.
All you have to do is go 500 in conference and 500 vs the OOC teams better than #250. Not hard especially when the league, at that point, was, by far, rated far lower than it ever has in its history. Tons of "free wins" in conference, just show up with 5 guys to avoid a forfeit and you win.
What's you're definition of "far far better"? What was far better because in year two in addition to the games you mentioned they played Arizona, Utah, Illinois, and Northern Iowa(who regressed in conference play but that happens to alot of middle tear schools). Season three for MM OOC schedule could be a little stronger as the smaller schools were decent squads. Bucknell would have been a tournament team had they not lost to Colgate, Marymount was decent all season. Illinois maybe improved... But calling it far far superior imho is a far far stretch.
I'ma get back on topic here though. What do you guys think of the recruiting class coming in? I'm not impressed with the tranfers we got for this season and the draft class is sitting around 30 but I'm expecting it to drop when more players commit to various schools.
I'm hoping this is just the pain before the gain. I was not a CMM hater only thing I didn't like was the scheduling I think he thought the current state UNLV was in the weak scheduling was necessary. Beyond that I think he had our boys playing solid we would win the games against BSU, CSU, NM, and below we didn't break through against Fresno, SDSU and Reno but I thought we were trending up and the team returning intact would have made a run this year, just my opinion.
Fast forward we have Otz I like his youth, staff, and desire. I believe he'll do all the things we were looking for when we hired CMM, recruit local, 4 year starters with a 5 star or transfer thrown in when needed. I bought 4 season tickets to help the boys out hoping I'm catching them at their worst and be ready for the ride to relevance again.
Fast forward we have Otz I like his youth, staff, and desire. I believe he'll do all the things we were looking for when we hired CMM, recruit local, 4 year starters with a 5 star or transfer thrown in when needed. I bought 4 season tickets to help the boys out hoping I'm catching them at their worst and be ready for the ride to relevance again.
The definition is based on OOC SOS (non conference strength of schedule). Historically, it’s far weaker than any UNLV has come close to playing. There are 352 (?) D1 teams. UNLV was 319. That’s taking the OOC off and padding the wins... it’s a wimpy philosophy, one geared to fool fans with the almighty magical “20”. It’s a schedule UNLV is not accustomed to playing but it’s one Menzies was very comfortable with as it was similar to his schedules at NMSU.
See link http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2018/schedule/UNLV
