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Marcus Arroyo hire

  • Grand Slam

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • Home Run

    Votes: 17 19.3%
  • Triple

    Votes: 35 39.8%
  • Double

    Votes: 23 26.1%
  • Single.

    Votes: 10 11.4%

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What kind of hire? With the kind of money we supposedly offered. Take it in that context.
 
The true answer to this question depends on who he brings in as his assistants. I picked a triple which isn’t a knock on the new coach at all.

When you’ve been striking out and landing an occasional bunt over the last few decades a triple doesn’t seem so bad
 
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Where's the option for we hit one in the gap for a double but tried to stretch it to a triple and got thrown out?
To me, the question can only be based on the press conference.... how people react to the hire. If it’s asking if he will do ok, poor, or great, so tough to assess when there’s no HC experience.

I’m hoping he held out awhile to ensure above average pay for assistants. That’s where the meat is.
 
I take it as a triple. We got a good coach who has the potential to be a great coach and can recruit. Now we will find out if he can get a decent staff, if he can keep the recruits he wants to keep, and if he can go out and make a big splash on the recruiting trail. If he can get a couple of 4* recruits that would be a good plus. If he does a great job of putting together a staff and recruiting, he could steal home!
 
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Look, this isn't a knock on the new coach and I hope he does finally get things turned around and headed in the right direction, but I am so far from really giving a $hit anymore.
 
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To me, the question can only be based on the press conference.... how people react to the hire. If it’s asking if he will do ok, poor, or great, so tough to assess when there’s no HC experience.

I’m hoping he held out awhile to ensure above average pay for assistants. That’s where the meat is.

Agree 100%.

Its not going to be an overly popular hire because there is still a certain amount of delusion out there over what UNLV can afford and the allure of the job. With basketball its kind of understandable, with football, I don't get it...
 
Whoever said a single it's completely delusional. Plus whoever said a double is extremely skeptical. A single is picking the DB coach at Texas St.
 
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Whoever said a single it's completely delusional. Plus whoever said a double is extremely skeptical. A single is picking the DB coach at Texas St.
That’s a strike out. What about a weak ground out, pop up? It’s not like every play in baseball is a positive, in fact, about 70% of them aren’t. The examples you use say no matter what, it’s a positive.
 
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That’s a strike out. What about a weak ground out, pop up? It’s not like every play in baseball is a positive, in fact, about 70% of them aren’t. The examples you use say no matter what, it’s a positive.
No reasonable person would give this hire as a single. I want them to tell me what a double would mean a triple a homerun and a grand slam with what I stated before with the money we offered what we could get.
 
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No reasonable person would give this hire as a single. I want them to tell me what a double would mean a triple a homerun and a grand slam with what I stated before with the money we offered what we could get.
Do you see where every single option you listed is a positive?

So you are saying there’s no way he will be anything but positive?

Have you even looked at the history of UNLV football?

I hate to break it to you, but there is a possibility he will he in the Hauck/Sanford zip code. I don’t think so but to dismiss it as a possibility given the entire history of UNLV football seems ...
 
No reasonable person would give this hire as a single. I want them to tell me what a double would mean a triple a homerun and a grand slam with what I stated before with the money we offered what we could get.


I said double because:

I think based on what UNLV can afford he is a solid hire. I liked some other coordinators more. Thought they might be better fits or options or liked their resumes better.

Its a lead off double. Potential is there. Can somebody bunt him over to third (staff) and can somebody get him in from third (recruiting)

Analogies are fun...
 
Do you see where every single option you listed is a positive?

So you are saying there’s no way he will be anything but positive?

Have you even looked at the history of UNLV football?

I hate to break it to you, but there is a possibility he will he in the Hauck/Sanford zip code. I don’t think so but to dismiss it as a possibility given the entire history of UNLV football seems ...

You're right.

And if he ends up in those depths the potential impact of the facility was vastly overrated.
 
I voted single- as Joe said a single is still positive especially considering all the strikeouts we've had. I just thought we could do better with this hire given the new facilities. Maybe my expectations were unreasonable.

Does Arroyo's resume scream that he's so much better than the Mike Sanford hire? Yeah we upgraded from Sanchez but big whoop there.

Let's see who the other 3 MWC teams end up with? I thought we'd be one of the more attractive jobs in the conference going forward but this hire tells me UNLV isn't there. I guess I'm unreasonable and I need to accept that UNLV's still a FBS bottom feeder.
 
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I think Colorado State is/was the best job. They have a much better history of success, also good facilities and a new stadium.

I think the track record here is alarming. We have been a career killer. We are spending more on football than we ever have, so hopefully that is a good start.

I put triple since it was basically right in the middle of all of the options. Oregon OC with ties to the west coast and this conference does check a lot of boxes.

I'm not upset at all. I'm also not doing back flips either. But considering everything I think it is a good hire.

I would like him to hold over Coach Cormier again. HIs Houston/Texas ties have been huge with recruiting.

Now I a curious what he can do with this offense. I still think we have some pretty nice pieces on that side of the ball, and Oblad showed promise by the end of the season. I'm scared to death about the defense, but what else is new.
 
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He lands 2-3 4 stars and keeps everyone and that alone is a double. A single is barely moving the dial.
 
I voted single- as Joe said a single is still positive especially considering all the strikeouts we've had. I just thought we could do better with this hire given the new facilities. Maybe my expectations were unreasonable.

Does Arroyo's resume scream that he's so much better than the Mike Sanford hire? Yeah we upgraded from Sanchez but big whoop there.

Let's see who the other 3 MWC teams end up with? I thought we'd be one of the more attractive jobs in the conference going forward but this hire tells me UNLV isn't there. I guess I'm unreasonable and I need to accept that UNLV's still a FBS bottom feeder.

I guess my question would be what do you think the facility brings?

By that I mean, say Arroyo and Sanford are essentially equal.

If Sanford had competitive facilities back then would he have had better results?

He was really close year 4. That team lost three games in the final 5 minutes. Damn near won 8 games. He beat two P5 schools that year. He won five his final year as well.

Would the recruiting benefits of the facility got him over the hump? Speculative, I know.

I get the thought this is more of same. But by saying that, doesn't it discount the potential impact of the facility completely?

Either that 30 million dollar building matters or somebody flushed 30 million down a toilet.

Not saying Arroyo is a great hire. But he now has some advantages previous coaches didn't...
 
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I guess my question would be what do you think the facility brings?

By that I mean, say Arroyo and Sanford are essentially equal.

If Sanford had competitive facilities back then would he have had better results?

He was really close year 4. That team lost three games in the final 5 minutes. Damn near won 8 games. He beat two P5 schools that year. He won five his final year as well.

Would the recruiting benefits of the facility got him over the hump? Speculative, I know.

I get the thought this is more of same. But by saying that, doesn't it discount the potential impact of the facility completely?

Either that 30 million dollar building matters or somebody flushed 30 million down a toilet.

Not saying Arroyo is a great hire. But he now has some advantages previous coaches didn't...

Yes, I liked the Sanford hire- probably more than most around here. I was excited when he came in and he was pretty close to having UNLV competitive in a MWC that was much better then vs now. I think if he had the new facilities and was coaching here after BYU, Utah, TCU, (and Kaepernick) all left he would have won.

I feel similar about Arroyo- I have some excitement and I do believe he can win here but I'm on the opposite side Rebelluv- I think anyone that considers this a homerun/grand slam is crazy. I think we could have made type of hire with SBS and Lied as our facilities. This looks like a typical UNLV hire to me. Arroyo wants to be a HC and this is probably the only FBS shot he's been offered so he takes it. Let's hope it works out.
 
Yes, I liked the Sanford hire- probably more than most around here. I was excited when he came in and he was pretty close to having UNLV competitive in a MWC that was much better then vs now. I think if he had the new facilities and was coaching here after BYU, Utah, TCU, (and Kaepernick) all left he would have won.

I feel similar about Arroyo- I have some excitement and I do believe he can win here but I'm on the opposite side Rebelluv- I think anyone that considers this a homerun/grand slam is crazy. I think we could have made type of hire with SBS and Lied as our facilities. This looks like a typical UNLV hire to me. Arroyo wants to be a HC and this is probably the only FBS shot he's been offered so he takes it. Let's hope it works out.


That's fair.
 
Well, if he can get the o line coach to come with him, our quarterbacks will never get hit. I'd say that he was looking for hc job because he took it. Case Closed. Lots of other jobs in MW and he did not take them. I think Sanford and Robinson histories tell us a little bit about what might happen. Better athletes equal more wins if recruiting takes affect. It will be three years or more before the changes come into affect. Even Coach Pete at UW needed time. OSU is starting to turn around, Cal is in their fourth year with Wilcox. Football takes time.
 
It will be interesting, I don't know is he is individually elite in any particular area of coaching or has the name draw to draw big names into the program. The lack of bowl berths, beyond coaching at automatic bowl bid programs, is disappointing.
Building a staff, getting to know the community and locking in a riser at DC will be the balancing act of the first season.
On first glance, the hire is a single for me that doesn't really give the program an obvious & immediate advantage going into next season.
He does inherit physically talented team so hopefully its a home run.
 
. Arroyo wants to be a HC and this is probably the only FBS shot he's been offered so he takes it. Let's hope it works out.

Yeah, but don't you think if he puts in another season or two of high powered offense there at Oregon that a much better opportunity comes along? To just grab the first so-so program that comes calling doesn't say much for him, no?
 
Yeah, but don't you think if he puts in another season or two of high powered offense there at Oregon that a much better opportunity comes along? To just grab the first so-so program that comes calling doesn't say much for him, no?

His name was floated for the Fresno and CSU jobs as well. CSU probably would have been the best of the three open MW jobs. I hate the snow, but I were him I would have ended up in Colorado. A great 3 years there opens up a lot of doors to go back to the PAC. However, being able to turn around the un-turaroundable would make him a legend. I believe that if Arroyo succeeds here, he will absolutely jump at the first chance for an upgrade. But I'll take the couple of winning seasons that go along with him leaving if that happens.

I m happy he picked Vegas. DFR could have easily gone the FCS HC star like they did for Hauck. I believe Jay Hill would have been a fantastic hire that might have been better than Arroyo. However, I m not mad that we got Arroyo. Hopefully he doesn't Chris Bird us.
 
Yeah, but don't you think if he puts in another season or two of high powered offense there at Oregon that a much better opportunity comes along? To just grab the first so-so program that comes calling doesn't say much for him, no?

Maybe, but considering Oregon fans were already calling for his head this year I don’t think another 2 years is guaranteed. They’re losing a lot on that line in addition to a first round QB. They take a step back and he’s probably the one getting axed. Then he’s out looking for an OC job and it won’t be high profile. Looking at his resume he knows when it’s time to move on. I don’t mean to knock him but it seems he’s done a good job at moving around.
 
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Maybe, but considering Oregon fans were already calling for his head this year I don’t think another 2 years is guaranteed. They’re losing a lot on that line in addition to a first round QB. They take a step back and he’s probably the one getting axed. Then he’s out looking for an OC job and it won’t be high profile. Looking at his resume he knows when it’s time to move on. I don’t mean to knock him but it seems he’s done a good job at moving around.


He has moved a lot, but assistants work on 2 year contracts so its not uncommon to have a lot of stops before finally getting a HC gig. Matt Canada has been an OC at like 9 different stops. Graham Harrell is pretty young in his coaching career and he's rumored with Texas. That would already be his third stop I think.

There are also guys like Scalley, who might coach their entire career at one stop if he does in fact take over for Whittingham and keeps it rolling.
 
He has moved a lot, but assistants work on 2 year contracts so its not uncommon to have a lot of stops before finally getting a HC gig. Matt Canada has been an OC at like 9 different stops. Graham Harrell is pretty young in his coaching career and he's rumored with Texas. That would already be his third stop I think.

There are also guys like Scalley, who might coach their entire career at one stop if he does in fact take over for Whittingham and keeps it rolling.
The positives and negatives of both situations.

I probably would have preferred Scalley.
The good thing about a guy who has been at one place a long time under a head coach that is considered a specialist at your side of the ball is the extended learning opportunity from a well regarded coach. But it is also hard to know how much they are actually in control of that side of the ball.

Like how much credit should Sanford gotten from working under Meyer? Sometimes you just don't know.

The flip side is Arroyo who has worked in many different spots at many different levels. Doesn't stick around that long, aside from the "loyalty" look, maybe not as much learning. But does get a more varied experience which has its positives. Also doesn't have the stigma of being in someone's shadow.
 
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Walk. Echos of Sanford. I'll say more after he pulls his staff on board. I am not worried about recruiting. More talent is always good but we have had issues with bone head play from some our better players, lack of discipline and truly crappy game time coaching. IMHO

I will, however, remain optimistic.....
 
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Maybe he views the UNLV job as his golden ticket. He probably thinks he can come in and turn UNLV around and get us to a bowl and maybe even competitive in the MWC. If he does this and has us to a couple bowl games over the next 3-4 years plus competing for a MWC champ he will be making 4-5 mil a year somewhere. UNLV has been so bad for so long if he did that it would turn some heads. But both Fresno and csu have been off and on good so it wouldn't be as noticable.
 
Walk. Echos of Sanford. I'll say more after he pulls his staff on board. I am not worried about recruiting. More talent is always good but we have had issues with bone head play from some our better players, lack of discipline and truly crappy game time coaching. IMHO

I will, however, remain optimistic.....
With Sanford there was always the question of whether Mike or Urban was pulling the strings on offense at Utah. Don't think there's a question here. But, yeah, staff is vital, discipline non-negotiable. And, please, bring in some speed!
We'll be better.
 
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