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New OC or "analyst": Ian Shields (???)

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Ian Shields @coachshields appears to be on staff, (possibly as the new OC?)

Shields was head coach at Jacksonville University and Eastern Oregon, and has been OC at several schools, including Army.

Jacksonville dropped football in December.
 
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Ian Shields @coachshields appears to be on staff, likely as the new OC.

Shields was head coach at Jacksonville University and Eastern Oregon, and has been OC at several schools, including Army.

Jacksonville dropped football in December.

Huh.

Twitter.com/coachshields

Location: Las Vegas, NV.
Header background image is players in red UNLV game kit


40-57 overall as head coach. OC at Army 2009-2013 during Rich Ellerson tenure. They were 20-41 peaking at 7-6 in year 2.
 
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Huh.

Twitter.com/coachshields

Location: Las Vegas, NV.
Header background image is players in red UNLV game kit

The hiring/onboarding process at UNLV seems neither swift nor certain.

Both Peter Hansen and Don't Johnson Jr went through similar ambiguous periods. Hansen was eventually announced as DC and Johnson packed up and headed to Oregon.

Currently Terry Samuel is in that state. Monday it came out that he will become the new WR coach... But nothing official yet.
 
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The hiring/onboarding process at UNLV seems neither swift nor certain.

Both Peter Hansen and Don't Johnson Jr went through similar ambiguous periods. Hansen was eventually announced as DC and Johnson packed up and headed to Oregon.

Currently Terry Samuel is in that state. Monday it came out that he will become the new WR coach... But nothing official yet.

Right - and @coachtsamuel (which until recently was @MSUTsamuel ) still has East Lansing in bio, so nothing of substance on the forward face.

The Ian Shields thing is interesting because it looks sort of certain that he is going to be on the staff if you use his twitter as reference. I can't remember if the on-field full-time coaches went from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, but officially 9 are on board. That's without DL and WR coaches. So if we assume they will hire DL and WR they are either done or have one more on-field. Not to say that one of those guys couldn't be a QC or consultant type or other off-field staff.
 
Right - and @coachtsamuel (which until recently was @MSUTsamuel ) still has East Lansing in bio, so nothing of substance on the forward face.

The Ian Shields thing is interesting because it looks sort of certain that he is going to be on the staff if you use his twitter as reference. I can't remember if the on-field full-time coaches went from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, but officially 9 are on board. That's without DL and WR coaches. So if we assume they will hire DL and WR they are either done or have one more on-field. Not to say that one of those guys couldn't be a QC or consultant type or other off-field staff.

One extra in field coach was added last season..
 
I'm not too worried about it. We have 1 "Run Game Coordinator", 2 "Passing Game Coordinators", and a HC that wants to call the plays himself. I don't think his role will be much like a traditional OC. I hope he's another good recruiter though!
We seem to have built a good group of coaches and coaches that look good recruiting. His recruiting as head coach is suspect based on his record. To me this looks like our weakest link on staff. I hope I'm wrong but that's what I think.
 
We seem to have built a good group of coaches and coaches that look good recruiting. His recruiting as head coach is suspect based on his record. To me this looks like our weakest link on staff. I hope I'm wrong but that's what I think.
Again, we don't know what his role is. If he's an analyst or something, could be good. Doesn't impact field coaches number and an extra person with experience to bring input to a guy who has never been a head man.
 
"But football is a sport where you have to be all in," he said. "You can't be halfway about it. They [JU] decided to be all out."

UNLV can learn a lot from this statement from him
 
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"But football is a sport where you have to be all in," he said. "You can't be halfway about it. They [JU] decided to be all out."

UNLV can learn a lot from this statement from him
So his entire tenure in coaching the players and programs weren’t all in? Maybe it’s not the fault of the players and programs he was associated with.

Right now, this guy may check the box of:
Hire the next Menzies!
 
So his entire tenure in coaching the players and programs weren’t all in? Maybe it’s not the fault of the players and programs he was associated with.

Right now, this guy may check the box of:
Hire the next Menzies!

The "all in or all out" sounded more like explaining JU dropping football than an excuse for the record. JU was a D1 program (FCS) but never offered athletic scholarships.
 
Guy said JU decided to be all out. They dropped football. That seems like all out.
Where does it say it was through his whole tenure?
Do, we damn him by comparing him to Menzies?
Well, at least we gave him a chance.
 
Look at his results as a coach. I’m not saying that because his previous stop canceled their program it’s his fault. I’m saying that he’s been unimpressive throughout his career.

But, of course, we’ll wait patiently for him to prove himself. Perhaps 4-5 years, then, if he doesn’t figure it out, it may cost Arroyo his job but at least we are showing patience with this guy.

In year 4 he’ll have a roster full of his guys finally. In year 5 he’ll have depth for his guys. I’m not sure what excuse to use in year 6. Forgive me.
 
Um, who cares?

We have the de facto OC in the head coach. A passing coodinator, and a running coordinator.

He is the last coach added to the staff.

He has HC experience. Not great, but at a tough place to win no doubt. Could probably offer some guidance to a first time HC.

He didn't recruit well to a small school with no history, ok.

If he is terrible, provides no benefit, he is easily replaceable.
 
His time at Army as OC and AHC wasn't too good either (20-41). Sure wish we could hear Arroyo explain this one.

It's not really fair to evaluate an OC strictly on the team's win/loss record. Granted he was eventually given "AHC" title, but the HC was from the defensive side.

Army was 119th in offensive efficiency the two year's prior to Shields' arrival, then 117th his first season (2009)

In Shield's next four years Army was never worse than 80th in (74th in 2010, 78th in 2011, 67th in 2012, 80th in 2013).

Anybody think maybe he's been brought in as just an analyst?

It's entirely possible. Until there is either an announcement or he turns up somewhere else we can only speculate.
 
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It's not really fair to evaluate an OC strictly on the team's win/loss record. Granted he was eventually given "AHC" title, but the HC was from the defensive side.

Army was 119th in offensive efficiency the two year's prior to Shields' arrival, then 117th his first season (2009)

In Shield's next four years Army was never worse than 80th in (74th in 2010, 78th in 2011, 67th in 2012, 80th in 2013).



It's entirely possible. Until there is either an announcement or he turns up somewhere else we can only speculate.


I haven't made any judgement or evaluation on the guy...Plenty of good coordinators out there with poor W/L totals as HC..

I'm not sure he is coming in as the OC though...
 
It's not really fair to evaluate an OC strictly on the team's win/loss record. Granted he was eventually given "AHC" title, but the HC was from the defensive side.

Army was 119th in offensive efficiency the two year's prior to Shields' arrival, then 117th his first season (2009)

In Shield's next four years Army was never worse than 80th in (74th in 2010, 78th in 2011, 67th in 2012, 80th in 2013).



It's entirely possible. Until there is either an announcement or he turns up somewhere else we can only speculate.


He came in after the Bobby Ross and Stan Brock eras...

I think Ross tried to run a pro style offense which was a huge mistake. I forget if Brock went back to an option attack..

Not minimizing what he did..He recognized what Army had, and what offense they needed to run to move the ball.
 
We seem to have built a good group of coaches and coaches that look good recruiting. His recruiting as head coach is suspect based on his record. To me this looks like our weakest link on staff. I hope I'm wrong but that's what I think.
Definitely not an impressive hire on paper, would like to see something better as your OC. That said, Arroyo has bought the benefit of the doubt with his recruiting class. Will trust that he sees something in him that he likes or isn't as concerned since he will be calling the plays. Would wait and see anyway until we see results on field, but even more so given his great start.
 
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Definitely not an impressive hire on paper, would like to see something better as your OC. That said, Arroyo has bought the benefit of the doubt with his recruiting class. Will trust that he sees something in him that he likes or isn't as concerned since he will be calling the plays. Would wait and see anyway until we see results on field, but even more so given his great start.
Not saying I disagree with you on the overall point.

But as a demonstration, this is a first time head coach, zero HC experience, at a school that is historically horrendous ... and he makes a questionable hire in the minds of many ... but he has already earned the benefit of the doubt with many ... seems illogical, doesn’t it? But that’s exactly what recruiting can do for a program. He already earned patience, excitement from fans ... without one damn snap of the ball.

He still has to make things happen on the field, obviously. And this will probably become a double edged sword. With good vibes early, which good recruiting, with excitement in the air ... expectations will elevate. He’s not going to have to crush it on the field next year, or even the following year ... but he’s bought himself some time and people are going to expect more, because they have this initial surge of excitement. Had he brought in the same old, same old class ... I suspect people wouldn’t get excited, they wouldn’t expect much, the rope becomes longer because people aren’t really caring so there’s little pressure.

He’s attacking things the way you want a coach to attack things. He’s eager, he’s aggressive, he’s trying to make an immediate impact and he’s doing it through recruiting first. I, for one, appreciate it (I’ll say I think CTS attacked things in a similar manner and had the aggressive demeanor as well).
 
Not saying I disagree with you on the overall point.

But as a demonstration, this is a first time head coach, zero HC experience, at a school that is historically horrendous ... and he makes a questionable hire in the minds of many ... but he has already earned the benefit of the doubt with many ... seems illogical, doesn’t it? But that’s exactly what recruiting can do for a program. He already earned patience, excitement from fans ... without one damn snap of the ball.

He still has to make things happen on the field, obviously. And this will probably become a double edged sword. With good vibes early, which good recruiting, with excitement in the air ... expectations will elevate. He’s not going to have to crush it on the field next year, or even the following year ... but he’s bought himself some time and people are going to expect more, because they have this initial surge of excitement. Had he brought in the same old, same old class ... I suspect people wouldn’t get excited, they wouldn’t expect much, the rope becomes longer because people aren’t really caring so there’s little pressure.

He’s attacking things the way you want a coach to attack things. He’s eager, he’s aggressive, he’s trying to make an immediate impact and he’s doing it through recruiting first. I, for one, appreciate it (I’ll say I think CTS attacked things in a similar manner and had the aggressive demeanor as well).


If this guy turns out to simply be an analyst and not an OC is it really a questionable or bad hire?
 
Not saying I disagree with you on the overall point.

But as a demonstration, this is a first time head coach, zero HC experience, at a school that is historically horrendous ... and he makes a questionable hire in the minds of many ... but he has already earned the benefit of the doubt with many ... seems illogical, doesn’t it? But that’s exactly what recruiting can do for a program. He already earned patience, excitement from fans ... without one damn snap of the ball.

He still has to make things happen on the field, obviously. And this will probably become a double edged sword. With good vibes early, which good recruiting, with excitement in the air ... expectations will elevate. He’s not going to have to crush it on the field next year, or even the following year ... but he’s bought himself some time and people are going to expect more, because they have this initial surge of excitement. Had he brought in the same old, same old class ... I suspect people wouldn’t get excited, they wouldn’t expect much, the rope becomes longer because people aren’t really caring so there’s little pressure.

He’s attacking things the way you want a coach to attack things. He’s eager, he’s aggressive, he’s trying to make an immediate impact and he’s doing it through recruiting first. I, for one, appreciate it (I’ll say I think CTS attacked things in a similar manner and had the aggressive demeanor as well).
Yep this is the Dave Rice equivalent in some ways. Given an early pass off the field with higher expectations on it. That said, UNLV football has never seen recruiting at this level. And to do it without a full year is even more impressive. I think that will provide some initial patience knowing these freshmen will need some time. But in two seasons expectations will be much loftier than anything any UNLV coach has seen since we beat Arkansas in the Vegas Bowl.
 
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If this guy turns out to simply be an analyst and not an OC is it really a questionable or bad hire?
Not really.

I suspect my point will stand regardless though. He hit the ground well here. That will carry weight moving forward. It instills excitement, some faith. Sure it could evaporate. But not in the immediate. It’ll give him some room, actually, to where questionable, whatever it may be, is given the benefit of the doubt. But of course, it will elevate expectations and that’s the double edged sword part of it.
 
My off the hip thought without much thought process behind it is you've got pass and rush game coordinators along with a HC who is a former P5 OC, with the 'level' the new hire is, how much play calling or absolute control do you think he'd have? Kind of a thought and a question at the same time.
 
If so, i would have hired a stud recruiter... Not this guy.

I guess you can't have to many recruiters, but I think we are doing OK in that department.

But what we don't have is a lot of HC experience. Given all of the Offensive expertise on the staff, I think an analyst/ AHC type role makes sense. Definitely a need IMO.
 
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