I honestly thought he'd be back. http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2016/apr/04/unlvs-pat-mccaw-decides-to-turn-pro/
McCaw Turning Pro
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I wish him the best. He represented the program admirably. I don't think he's ready but out of the guys that have gone early in the past five years he's probably the most mature.
Could someone explain to me the benefit of signing with an agent and taking a path of no return rather than just putting your name out there to see what interest there is WITH a chance to return if the situation isn't favorable? I just never understood that about some of these kids going early.
Could someone explain to me the benefit of signing with an agent and taking a path of no return rather than just putting your name out there to see what interest there is WITH a chance to return if the situation isn't favorable? I just never understood that about some of these kids going early.
My only thought regarding his going for the NBA draft is LMAO. The NBA is looking for winners that can walk right into the NBA and play almost right away, and UNLV couldn't even beat middle of the road teams like Fresno St, unr, etc. I am really tired of the swelled ego's of these players that didn't do anything at UNLV, and all think they are NBA caliber players. Maybe they should look more toward the WNBA where they may have a better chance to play.
I may end up eating my words, but with past players like Vaughn, Bennett and Wood all struggling to make an NBA roster, I would be surprised if any of the players out of UNLV play significant minutes in the NBA. Zimm has by far the best chance only because you can't teach height!
I may end up eating my words, but with past players like Vaughn, Bennett and Wood all struggling to make an NBA roster, I would be surprised if any of the players out of UNLV play significant minutes in the NBA. Zimm has by far the best chance only because you can't teach height!
I basically agree with you but Vaughn seems to be slowly earning more time with the Bucks. He also was a first round pick with guaranteed money. AB also had a guaranteed money. The other early entries from UNLV are having a tough time escaping from the D League!
The only benefit with signing with an agent is that they cover the travel and living expenses. Someone like Zimm didn't need to as family is not scraping by.
Who advises these kids.
Our house is being cleaned. There wont be egos next year. This is a good thing.
There are a lot of differences between Rice and Kruger. When Kruger left, most of his kids stayed and gave Rice his best year. Most of Rices kids think too much of themselves. I say bye and let's get back to winning.
Our house is being cleaned. There wont be egos next year. This is a good thing.
There are a lot of differences between Rice and Kruger. When Kruger left, most of his kids stayed and gave Rice his best year. Most of Rices kids think too much of themselves. I say bye and let's get back to winning.
I agree with Ryan Seacrest. I thought he would stay.
Really like Pat as a Rebel and wish him nothing but the best, but this is a real head scratcher.
Last week the guys on the CBS Sports College Basketball podcast made the argument that the new rule giving college players until May to decide if they want to go pro or return to college may work out much differently than most people, especially college coaches, think.
They argue that MORE not less players will go pro because even if they determine they are not ready for the NBA they may be told they can make it in the D-League or in Europe, etc and make more than $80K while prepping for the NBA. The idea is that many players come from underprivileged backgrounds and it may be more enticing to earn $$$ right away rather than going back to college and earning nothing.
They argued that a player can develop much more playing basketball all day in a pro league than in a college environment where one needs to go to class, do homework and there are time restrictions on practice time. These guys are young too and may not fully appreciate the value of education and maybe feel pressure to support their families now so the immediate pro route may be hard to say no to this summer. i think these CBS guys made some good arguments and it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
They argue that MORE not less players will go pro because even if they determine they are not ready for the NBA they may be told they can make it in the D-League or in Europe, etc and make more than $80K while prepping for the NBA. The idea is that many players come from underprivileged backgrounds and it may be more enticing to earn $$$ right away rather than going back to college and earning nothing.
They argued that a player can develop much more playing basketball all day in a pro league than in a college environment where one needs to go to class, do homework and there are time restrictions on practice time. These guys are young too and may not fully appreciate the value of education and maybe feel pressure to support their families now so the immediate pro route may be hard to say no to this summer. i think these CBS guys made some good arguments and it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Best of luck to Pat! I hope he is the next diamond in the rough for my Spurs!
say hello to your next ex-Rebel D-League player.
the over-confidence shown by these recent players would be comical if it wasn't so sad.
i do think the D-League is better to develop (non-stop basketball/practice & better competition), but the odds of going D-League to NBA can't be very high. especially when you are still slight. going to get smashed & bullied.
the over-confidence shown by these recent players would be comical if it wasn't so sad.
i do think the D-League is better to develop (non-stop basketball/practice & better competition), but the odds of going D-League to NBA can't be very high. especially when you are still slight. going to get smashed & bullied.
It adds up alright:
T5 + r = 8-10
Top 5 recruiting class + RICE = 8-10 in the Mtn Worst
please. we don't have, and haven't had, ANY NBA players since Bruce Jones left. he is the ONLY player that is on a team that was getting any minutes prior to injury. everyone else is drafted (if drafted) on potential. Zimm won't see the court, P Mac won't get drafted, and if DJJ goes, he also won't see the court.
the rest are in D-league, overseas, or working at KFC. hopefully they are overseas doing okay after their wake-up calls and thinking about how they should have stayed in school.
The turnover during the Rice era has been truly amazing and embarrassing... i've never even heard of any program that's even come remotely close to losing so many players "to the pros" who weren't guaranteed of even being drafted. No (or very, very few) players from other programs do that. At UNLV, it's happened with alarming regularity over the past few years.
Towards the end of the Kruger era and the beginning of the Rice era, I heard so much non-stop complaining that Kruger never got enough superstars, and soooo much importance placed on landing 5-star superstar recruits. I personally am excited to get back to players who want to play team ball, who want to grow and improve their games while they are here, rather than only their draft stock.
So excited for a new era!
One thing I don't get is the people saying congrats to pat...he declared...he didn't get drafted. He didn't do anything that warrants a congratulations.
He isn't listed on any draft boards that I've seen. He had nothing to lose by staying another year.
He isn't listed on any draft boards that I've seen. He had nothing to lose by staying another year.
you have to wonder what went on. Were they asked to do more than they were willing then bailed asap? Rice was in a tough spot (his doing) last year with Wood. He needed to win so he felt he couldn't bench Wood. Looking back, I'm sure he wished did.
the worst of all was when JS lost his starting PG spot and they played at Colorado state. That SOB moped and sulked unlike anything I've seen. Never should have seen the court again in my opinion. Then stupid loyal ass Rice puts him in after Poyser and company got us back in the game and he gave us nothing again. Lost respect for him.
I never want to see another 5th year transfer again. Well, this year we will have to but after that. Tired of these 1 year band aids that don't stick.
We need a mix. A strong core that will slap around (literally) a prima donna if needed.
New Era? I'm hoping. Hearing the Board of Regents just may reject the Beard hire.
Damn it - I wish I had read this quote BEFORE I renewed my season tickets.
If that happens and they reject the hire... i mean, WOW. That would unequivically be the final nail in the coffin of UNLV hoops. It'd be so embarrassing and make us look SO small-time; no coach worth a dam would ever even consider coming here again, no matter how much we offered.
There's a first for everything.... Wouldn't surprise me with the circus the regents are running.
Can that actually happen? I mean, I realize that theoretically it’s possible, but in the real world…?
Beard has resigned from his previous post. What happens if they reject it? He’s out of a job, and we're out of a coach? Or he has to re-negotiate the terms?
I have to agree with whoever said it would be the final nail in our coffin. Even if Beard works out a new deal, I’d have to think that a coach who’s resume is dotted with one-year stops, would, if successful, grab the first good offer to get away from this nuthouse. And the next search could turn awfully dry when prospective coaches see the hoops that Beard was forced to jump through.
C’mon Regents…arise off your collective asses and get this done…!
I’m not going to debate the wisdom (or lack) of this move. He’s entitled to pursue his dream, and I hope it works out well for him.
But I have to say, for my own selfish reasons, that of all the eligible returning Rebels, Pat was the one that I most wanted to stay. I believe that he possesses the necessary work-ethic, and skills, to adapt to Beard’s style, and “win now” philosophy.
Unlike many of his teammates, McCaw seemed to avoid the spotlight. Often being the best player on the court, he never sought the limelight. While Ike and Jerome and Zimm sat for the post-game press conferences, Pat was back in the locker room.
I’m appreciative that Pat McCaw chose to be a Rebel for the past two years. I just had a vision of how great he could have become if he stayed for another two…
The reason why people hire agents is to ensure they get drafted. They work out for a team, make a deal to be drafted and then don't have to worry about draft night. The agents theoretically have connections inside teams and help ensure draft success. I wonder if you sign with an agent if they will actually tell the kid what he needs to do, because again theoretically the agent's paycheck is tied to the players paycheck. But maybe the agent would rather take 10% of $800K overseas than take the risk of getting nothing here, and still the potential of getting 10% of $1mm+, I also heard that it was more like 20% on the radio the other day.
I was pondering just the other day, that Rice hasn't had a single player be what I consider successful in the NBA. Our number one draft pick is a total bust. Vaughn might end up okay.
Kruger had Louuuuuu and Joel. Two hard workers that have made a nice living as role players in the NBA. That's basically what Rice never seemed to recruit--the right intersection of talent and work ethic.
What's ironic about that part of it is Rice did recruit/land Lou as part of Spoon's staff.
I don't believe Lou would have developed under Rice the way he did under Kruger. Hell, hi might have been recruited over and sat the bench his senior year, or, more likely, bolted to the NBA prematurely because he wasn't growing at UNLV.
Ah, but that's where I think you could be wrong. I mean, he may have been recruited over, but in terms of development, I think you are wrong.
Here's why - I watched more non-game basketball (pickups, workouts, practices, etc) under Spoon and Kruger than Rice or Bayno. Lou was insanely active with his own free time. His free time was spent in the gym. With somebody else, even by himself. I've never seen somebody put the time in that Lou put into the game. And it wasn't one dimensional. He worked all facets. When most guys work on their free time, they shoot. Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot. That's it. Lou would work free throws, dribbling, spin moves, in the post, midrange, three pointers, etc. Joel worked his butt off too, but not to the level that Lou did. Lou was off the charts, seriously. I admired the way he went at it. I watched him from a goofy freshman that was very eager but pretty limited with skill set to a really solid college player.
Lou benefitted from experience and opportunity. I didn't see evidence of some magical transformational one on one development in individual skills. Coaches get very little time in that arena nowadays and they are stretched thin as it is.
In the old days, staffs could use volunteer assistants. Tark had a bevy of them. And the time constraints were very loose in comparison to today. So guys got a lot of one on one attention and they developed so much better. Think of the fundamentals back then. Post players had a number of moves down low with their left and their right hand. That comes from individual development with one on one coaching. That's long gone.
I'll defer to your experience and observations on this. I still can't help but theink that Rice would have found a way to screw this up.
Do you know what's this?
NO NAME POS HT WT CLASS HOMETOWN
0 Henry Lowe G 5-11 185 SR New York, NY
1 Jalen Brunson G 6-3 199 FR Lincolnshire, IL
2 Kris Jenkins F 6-6 240 JR Upper Marlboro, MD
3 Josh Hart G 6-5 205 JR Silver Spring, MD
4 Eric Paschall F 6-7 260 FR Dobbs Ferry, NY
5 Phil Booth G 6-3 185 SO Baltimore, MD
10 Donte DiVincenzo G 6-5 200 FR Wilmington, DE
15 Ryan Arcidiacono G 6-3 195 SR Langhorne, PA
20 Patrick Farrell F 6-5 200 JR Rockville Centre, NY
23 Daniel Ochefu F 6-11 245 SR Baltimore, MD
25 Mikal Bridges G 6-7 191 FR Malvern, PA
45 Darryl Reynolds F 6-8 225 JR Philadelphia, PA
52 Kevin Rafferty F 6-8 215 SR Malvern, PA
National Champion Villanova.
A good model. Veteran players with skills and good concepts, not good enough to get the one and done guaranteed. They Committed with the school and they are not thinking in the one and done stuff each day We need committed players with skills more than "supposed" super-talented players looking for a springboard to get the one and done.
NO NAME POS HT WT CLASS HOMETOWN
0 Henry Lowe G 5-11 185 SR New York, NY
1 Jalen Brunson G 6-3 199 FR Lincolnshire, IL
2 Kris Jenkins F 6-6 240 JR Upper Marlboro, MD
3 Josh Hart G 6-5 205 JR Silver Spring, MD
4 Eric Paschall F 6-7 260 FR Dobbs Ferry, NY
5 Phil Booth G 6-3 185 SO Baltimore, MD
10 Donte DiVincenzo G 6-5 200 FR Wilmington, DE
15 Ryan Arcidiacono G 6-3 195 SR Langhorne, PA
20 Patrick Farrell F 6-5 200 JR Rockville Centre, NY
23 Daniel Ochefu F 6-11 245 SR Baltimore, MD
25 Mikal Bridges G 6-7 191 FR Malvern, PA
45 Darryl Reynolds F 6-8 225 JR Philadelphia, PA
52 Kevin Rafferty F 6-8 215 SR Malvern, PA
National Champion Villanova.
A good model. Veteran players with skills and good concepts, not good enough to get the one and done guaranteed. They Committed with the school and they are not thinking in the one and done stuff each day We need committed players with skills more than "supposed" super-talented players looking for a springboard to get the one and done.
What are these “Juniors” and “Seniors” you speak of…?
What's really amazing is that we were apparently fielding an all-NBA team this year and didn't know it...
That's the culture we've to build. Less of all-NBA Team more of an All-committed team. Next season will be difficult but we've to build and pavement a culture/idea for the years to come.
