Coach or covid talk
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This is the absolute nonsense I am talking about...
So like regular school but we will call it a hub and therefore it will be safer.....
This is the absolute nonsense I am talking about...
So like regular school but we will call it a hub and therefore it will be safer.....
Well, in person school is going to have some issues in a few years. With what we did with the youth, certain ages, we created a higher level of anti-socialism, really upped their online presence (a bad thing).
I fear school issues for current middle schoolers as things progress. There’s going to be school shootings. We messed many of them up. And we didn’t care. “If we save just one octogenarians life and give him two more months of life, it’s worth it. Never mind that that very act killed so many more.
A lot of selfish people out there that do not care about kids and ironically, many of them are teachers or specifically the union.
I really feel for any school aged kids. Those hit worst...
1st through 3rd/4th grade. Losing out on a ton of important social development.
Any that were juniors/seniors...Dances, prom, homecoming, sports.
All the crap that when you hit your 30s and 40s you can reminisce about..The fun memories...
Gone...
But hey...
I'm the unfeeling, selfish one..
No shit. The ones that thought they were being selfless and looking out for everyone are the ones that took the side of crushing kids. Very selfish.
And it’s because they can’t critically think, they can’t see the forest through the trees. They’re reactionary, not poised. Panickers, not thinkers. People you don’t want next to you in a foxhole or when the sht hits the fan.
There was zero balance and zero tolerance for alternate points of view, incredibly valid points of view, points of views that would have minimized the carnage of society. Selfish keyboard mashers.
It's like this...
If you trust that the vaccines will keep you safe by limiting your symptoms. If you believe or believed that masks work/worked (Which most are acknowledging they don't now, which makes our ongoing mask mandate all the more nonsensical..But I digress).
Then there is no reason there shouldn't be in person schooling. (Caveat being if you are a teacher/public school employee with someone at risk at home).
So now there is a push to normalize myocarditis, even in children. Of course, if they get it, it’s a form of “long Covid”, not the vax. The signals are awful with the vax. This thing wouldn’t have seen the light of day 30 years ago, with normal standards, it fails badly. This shit makes thalidomide look good.
Happy for the truckers in Canada. What a display. Yes, media and tech are doing what they can to suppress it, but you can find it.
That this silly little tyrant, this last kid picked in school, teachers pet, ass kisser … actually runs out of his country to avoid what he called a “very fringe minority with completely unacceptable views” … they’ve taken over Ottawa in huge numbers. You’d think a leader would deal with it. This pussy ran, lol.
Happy for the truckers in Canada. What a display. Yes, media and tech are doing what they can to suppress it, but you can find it.
That this silly little tyrant, this last kid picked in school, teachers pet, ass kisser … actually runs out of his country to avoid what he called a “very fringe minority with completely unacceptable views” … they’ve taken over Ottawa in huge numbers. You’d think a leader would deal with it. This pussy ran, lol.
That’s a face you don’t even punch. He’s too much of a puss. That’s a face you slap.
Fringe minority. 50000 trucks, 1.4M descending upon Ottawa.
The world has never seen this level of protesting for such a long period of time. Obviously these people, like myself, feel very strongly.
you don’t and won’t see the tiny keyboard mashing, have nothing better to do “supporters” of “just roll up your sleeve dammit” ever stand up for their stance aside from words on the internet. It’s too much effort to step away from the computer.
Fringe my ass.
Fringe minority. 50000 trucks, 1.4M descending upon Ottawa.
The world has never seen this level of protesting for such a long period of time. Obviously these people, like myself, feel very strongly.
you don’t and won’t see the tiny keyboard mashing, have nothing better to do “supporters” of “just roll up your sleeve dammit” ever stand up for their stance aside from words on the internet. It’s too much effort to step away from the computer.
Fringe my ass.
The protest is trying to be labeled as "hate" for whatever reason despite no actual violence, looting, riots, etc. having transpired (that I've seen so far).
While I'm VERY anti-abortion, I'm pro-choice simply because Americans should have freedom over their bodies. If we don't have that freedom, close down McDonald's, Del Taco, etc. this very minute since they promote long-term health issues and have for decades.
I'm very aware that the last sentence above will never get any media coverage because it's free and "inconvenient" to people. It's easier to take a pill for your diabetes than to stop consuming excess sugar - "I don't get to drink pop?" or "I can't eat those Doritos anymore?" is more difficult to most than "Doc, give me a pill so that I can continue to do what's causing me to take this pill... (which has side effects that will cause me to take other pills)."
While I'm VERY anti-abortion, I'm pro-choice simply because Americans should have freedom over their bodies. If we don't have that freedom, close down McDonald's, Del Taco, etc. this very minute since they promote long-term health issues and have for decades.
I'm very aware that the last sentence above will never get any media coverage because it's free and "inconvenient" to people. It's easier to take a pill for your diabetes than to stop consuming excess sugar - "I don't get to drink pop?" or "I can't eat those Doritos anymore?" is more difficult to most than "Doc, give me a pill so that I can continue to do what's causing me to take this pill... (which has side effects that will cause me to take other pills)."
It’s a bunch of white supremacists who voted for Trump, even though they are Canadian. Canada is Mecca for white supremacy and hate.
Propaganda. Narrative control. Removing books. Censorship. Cancelling. Never has that been the right side of history.
A lot of “normal” people are on the wrong side of history, they’re the types of people that enabled a Nazi stranglehold.
Smdh. Sometimes people are too stubborn to see things. Worse, they are such delicate little flowers that their ego can’t take the hit by admitting they are wrong.
A study by Kaiser of 70,000 cases … no difference in hospitalization rate between unvaxxed and double vaxxed.
Higher hospitalization rate for double vaxxed and boosted than unvaxxed.
Keep calling it a pandemic of the unvaccinated if it soothes your fragile psyche. Or you can look at truths .. which will lead you to “what good is the vax actually doing?”
Everyone says “I got Covid, symptoms were mild, thank God for the vaccine or it would have been much worse”.
I didn’t get the vaccine and my symptoms are very, very mild, I’ve had much worse hangovers than this thing. “I got Covid, symptoms are mild, thank god for a functional immune system otherwise it might have been worse”.
Higher hospitalization rate for double vaxxed and boosted than unvaxxed.
Keep calling it a pandemic of the unvaccinated if it soothes your fragile psyche. Or you can look at truths .. which will lead you to “what good is the vax actually doing?”
Everyone says “I got Covid, symptoms were mild, thank God for the vaccine or it would have been much worse”.
I didn’t get the vaccine and my symptoms are very, very mild, I’ve had much worse hangovers than this thing. “I got Covid, symptoms are mild, thank god for a functional immune system otherwise it might have been worse”.
I was told mandates and lockdowns are soft coercion.
This is the response to that...
This is the response to that...
I got the Chinese virus (Covid for those who don't like calling it by the original name) a few weeks ago, and I would say the normal cold or standard garden variety flu took longer to get over for me than this virus!
Thanks. The main thrust of the article seemed to be to show that omicron is less virulent than delta. On the last page, third paragraph from the end, the authors suggest that there is ”substantial benefit “ to continuing the use of Covid vaccines.
Ok.
But the data demonstrates - vaxxed/unvaxxed hospitalization rate, no significant difference and boosted is even higher. That’s been pretty much mirrored at our place.
So, did they define “substantial benefit”? What could it be. Even the death rates are neck and neck.
I don’t see where the “substantial benefit” actually is.
Let me ask you this. The narrative on all things Covid has been crumbling like a Japanese town vs Godzilla.
IF it is shown that there is no difference or very little difference, would you admit it? Would you be pissed? Would you feel duped. Honest questions.
oh, and the worst part of the vax may not even be a lack of efficacy. Let’s watch the next couple of years. The signals are terrifying.
That’s why I was absolutely adamant about full studies and full NON-EUA approval with complete transparency of the data. That’s the way true science worlds and I know you must know that.
If the data ends up showing that the vaccine was worthless or worse, I will certainly admit it. Will I be pissed, possibly if I think there was a coordinated effort to mislead me. If the data in the paper we both read shows no difference between vaxed and unvaxed people, why do the authors laud the value of the vaccines?
I did find a Kaiser news release that examined the medical records of 6 million people who received vaccines and concluded that there were no serious side effects from the jabs. If this is a conspiracy it is astoundingly widespread 😐
I did find a Kaiser news release that examined the medical records of 6 million people who received vaccines and concluded that there were no serious side effects from the jabs. If this is a conspiracy it is astoundingly widespread 😐
Reactions are rampant. See them daily. No, not all deaths. But there is a reason they are trying to normalize myocarditis. It’s a serious condition and it is way too prevalent.
I think we can agree.
Vaccines do not stop you from spreading it.
They do not stop you from contracting it.
So you are essentially ok with mandates that are for your own protection.
I think people should still get it for that reason.
However, it shouldn't be mandated.
Unless of course you would be ok with government mandating dietary and exercise requirements. We know for a fact that obesity complications have increased Covid deaths by about 30%. I mean if there was a drug that could cut Covid deaths by 30% you'd be for that no?
Or is a Whopper or a Big Mac a bridge too far in personal freedom.
I mean if a simple pill/shot would decrease Covid deaths by 30% that would be an amazing development.
In your line of thinking from I've seen 'it's just a shot'.
Well if simply taking better care of your body could do the same thing why shouldn't it be mandated?
These are not vaccines they are therapeutics...I believe people should consider them. But they aren't actually vaccines.
They should be treated as such..
This is a disease/virus/sickness of the elderly/obese/preexisting, outside of some outliers.
This is a fact and data 100% supports that.
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Even if you think the vaccine helps, for those who already had the virus, there is zero benefit in receiving the vaccine, and a huge risk in regards to future side effects. If there is no risk, why did they pass laws that prevent anyone from filing a lawsuit against the manufacturers or anyone else involved with providing the vaccine? I have no doubt that no matter what comes out regarding the impact of the vaccine, those on here that are pro-vaccine, and those pushing for it, will continue to move the goal post! First the vaccine is 97% effective, then 60% effective, then it reduces the severity of those that get the virus who have had the vaccine, then you need multiple additional booster shots to reduce the impact of the virus, etc.....
Without a doubt the media is in the back pocket of those producing the vaccine, and everyone involved is getting rich off the back of the tax payers and the next 10 generations who will be paying the bills while those at the top of the food chain are watching the dollars roll in to their accounts! Funny how the mass protest against the vaccine are ignored by the media, but if one well placed person in the media, one well placed Hollywood star, or a politician come out and scream for the heads of those who refuse the vaccine, it become front page news!
Without a doubt the media is in the back pocket of those producing the vaccine, and everyone involved is getting rich off the back of the tax payers and the next 10 generations who will be paying the bills while those at the top of the food chain are watching the dollars roll in to their accounts! Funny how the mass protest against the vaccine are ignored by the media, but if one well placed person in the media, one well placed Hollywood star, or a politician come out and scream for the heads of those who refuse the vaccine, it become front page news!
Data strongly suggests that the vaccines do limit symptoms.
I do agree, that if you have already had Covid (Original/Delta) there is probably no reason to get vaccinated at this point.
After effects/side effects of vaccines...Not enough data to make a decision (at least for me)..
That said.
The fact Pfizer was essentially given immunity from litigation and their clinical trials were initially going to be locked away for 50 years should raise eyebrows..
I don't think the trials will expose something nefarious, like you might grow a third arm....But I think the trial data will show the vaccines were never 90+% effective...
Said it before...Will continue to say it.
The only thing people hate more than being duped is admitting/recognizing that they were duped.
These vaccines should have been rolled out as what they are...
Therapeutics...
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You called it soft coercion...Which I vehemently disagree with.
There is nothing soft about regulating where and when people can travel based on a therapeutic. If the vaccines mitigated spread, I might (probably still have reservations) agree or at least see some merit..
I readily admit how I post could be viewed as 'attacking' people in discussions. I try not to, but it happens.
So as a different and probably more productive form of discourse let's start with what we agree on or what we know to be true...
These vaccines limit symptoms. I think we can agree on that...
These vaccines do not mitigate spread. I think that is clearly evident.
You did in fact call me out for being harsh for pointing out when politicians were seen not wearing masks.
We now know the effectiveness of masks is negligible at best..
Yet our elected officials continue to play political theater.
By and large people have sacrificed for the 'greater good' while politicians like Governor Sisolak, decided to play political for optics theater vs follow data and actual science. I have nothing but contempt for he and those that kowtow'd to ridiculous mandates and for optics policy decisions.
We treated Covid with blanket policies. This was/is contemptible. Think about being a HS senior...Prom, football games, simply doing what HS kids do, all gone..For what exactly? Because teachers unions pushed for nonsense.
If you (not you personally, in the general sense) were a teacher complaining about how unsafe your job was, yet went to a grocery store to buy groceries, kindly keep quiet. You had no problem putting those folks at risk, while you bought your food and sat at home collecting a check.
Said it before.
Masks are not an infringement on my rights. They are an inconvenience. They are also a foot. And if we continue to give up feet, the next thing you know we are a mile away from where we started.
This isn't a grand conspiracy to take our rights. But if you wanted a blueprint on how to do it, it's been laid out.
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The are not an infringement until the Gov and the Gestapo troops at the SNHD turned the mandate into a money making program for themselves by placing severe fines on people that are caught without mask. One of the contractors and an architect that I work with got fined several thousand each because they were caught outside at a site last year without a mask. You ask how they enforce the fines? They enforce the fines by threats of removal of your Clark County and/or Nevada state business license if you refuse to do as told!
NEXT! Now that people have seen that the Omicron variant is nowhere near the threat they have made it out to be, they are now coming out with the cousin to Omicron to ramp up their political and financial agenda to the next level. https://www.yahoo.com/news/explainer-scientists-alert-over-rising-130643664.html
There in lies the issue...
Another poster says, let's see how it plays out and formulate opinions then.
Fair enough.
Except..
What is 'over'. Who decides when it's over and normalcy returns?
Easy answer is politicians, but it's actually voters...
I'm not a conservative or democrat. I've voted across party lines numerous times. I typically vote libertarian if there is an option (last two presidential elections)..
I have no skin in the game so to speak..
But democrats are going to get absolutely mopped in midterms if Virginia was any kind of preview...
And nonsense Covid policy and shutting down schools will be a huge part of it...There was middle ground. There were common sense decisions to be made. That isn't to say we should have been cavalier about it...
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I don't believe any of the data. I'm sure some of it is correct, but I can't tell what is. I just live my life with the restrictions as they are and ignore all the noise.
hundreds of years of data that shows that people who have already been infected have natural immunity that is better than that from a vaccine is enough to let me know that the idea of telling those who have already been infected that you need to risk being vaccinated to remove restriction is down right criminal!
Not that it will make any difference, but the New York Times published new CDC data on the risk of death per 100,000 people during a week in October and November of 2021. For reference about the chance of dying in an auto accident is 0.24/100,000 and from influenza or pneumonia about 0.3/100,000.
The rate for unvaccinated people is 7.8/100,000, about 25 times higher than pneumonia or the regular flu.
The rate for vaccinated but unboosted people is 0.6/100,000.
The rate for boosted people is 0.1/100,000. So a boosted person during October and November was 78 times less likely to die from Covid.
Just saying🙂
The rate for unvaccinated people is 7.8/100,000, about 25 times higher than pneumonia or the regular flu.
The rate for vaccinated but unboosted people is 0.6/100,000.
The rate for boosted people is 0.1/100,000. So a boosted person during October and November was 78 times less likely to die from Covid.
Just saying🙂
Which I have said is a reason that people should consider the vaccines. They limit symptoms.
Over 600k of the 800k Covid related deaths, are aged 65 and over. Over 400k Covid related deaths are aged 75+.
And I am 100s of times less likely to die from Covid than a person who is 75+ regardless of my vaccination status.
And yet our policy makers say otherwise.
Stats are super fun...
Sorry, but I call BS on those vaccine numbers, and this also doesn't include the thousands who have died due to the vaccine! Those are the numbers that they have continued to push over the last year as a scare tactic to get people to take the vaccine which are completely manipulated to include thousands of deaths where people died from other causes who also happen to have the virus, those numbers also lump all age groups and risk groups into one pot while we know that those who are healthy and young have an even lower risk without the vaccine of death than those from influenza when considering the youngest age groups that have literally no risk from death. Those numbers also totally ignore the future risk from the vaccine which has already started to show up with heart disease issues as well as other medical issues that are just starting to rear their ugly head.
An example is that the risk of death for someone over the age of 85 is somewhere are 2500 times as high as for an infant!
An example is that the risk of death for someone over the age of 85 is somewhere are 2500 times as high as for an infant!
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Now high school students are walking out of school with safety concerns....
Despite them being of low risk..
Good job everyone who created this mass psychosis...
Despite them being of low risk..
Good job everyone who created this mass psychosis...
Doesn’t it amaze you that some people have such weak minds, are so controllable? I mean, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt in most situations until I know differently.
The new standard might be most people are sad, little, weak minded souls - even if they have intelligence. We have a ton more sheep than strong people.
