BullMastiff - please reply. I'm begging

[the Florian Trout]

(Edit, don't get into pissing match with mods. Regarding GO..gotta let it go Def Leppard version, not stupid Frozen Disney version)



anyways, to your reply where you said "Everything else though, from his work ethic to his character is purely conjecture."

"If you aren't mentally tough or coachable, all the physical ability, skill, and talent is useless!!!" - Max Good

you don't think what was said by his coach says anything about his character? i thought it said a lot. that and his timing is why i'm irritated with the transfer, and to be honest, i liked him. seemed like a good guy.

i'm not looking to debate, just your thoughts because it would be conjecture if i didn't read the quote and hear some other things from people who are dialed in behind the scenes.

 

[Mjs_702]

I agree with what Max said in that quote. Not sure where in there he says anything about work ethic, but whatever. Also not sure why it needed triple punctuation... Perhaps he screamed it?

Friendly question. So I'm clear, do you dislike all players who quit on their teams midseason? Or just Goodluck?

***attempting to play nice****

 

[RebelScrub]

I have removed the comments that required thread getting deleted.

Florian, no need to incite wrath of mods. Everything else seems okay albeit a bit well...water under the bridge?

 

[j. spilotro]

(Edit, don't get into pissing match with mods. Regarding GO..gotta let it go Def Leppard version, not stupid Frozen Disney version)




anyways, to your reply where you said "Everything else though, from his work ethic to his character is purely conjecture."

"If you aren't mentally tough or coachable, all the physical ability, skill, and talent is useless!!!" - Max Good

you don't think what was said by his coach says anything about his character? i thought it said a lot. that and his timing is why i'm irritated with the transfer, and to be honest, i liked him. seemed like a good guy.

i'm not looking to debate, just your thoughts because it would be conjecture if i didn't read the quote and hear some other things from people who are dialed in behind the scenes.

The date of that particular tweet was in October (GO announced he's leaving in late November) and not (to my knowledge) directed at anyone in particular; rather a general statement which may or may not apply to Goodluck's situation.

 

[Mjs_702]

Forming conclusions about an individual on the basis of that one quote would be the very definition of conjecture.

 

[Kruger's brother Fred]

You guys are beating a dead horse in the mouth.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

If you have inside information, from people tied to the program, then your assertions about his work ethic may well be true. Although the quote you used was possibly taken out of context. Others on here have said he wasn't the hardest worker but he also wasn't the first guy out of the gym either.

My issue is more the hypocrisy of lauding transfers from other schools (Moser, Thomas and Carter) as hard working guys. But in the next sentence saying a guy that is leaving didn't want to do the work or practice hard enough to get more minutes. Moser and Thomas both transferred for more playing time. So by your logic they didn't work hard enough at their previous schools to gain more playing time. Why would UNLV want guys that didn't work hard. Most transfers leave for more playing time. Not telling you or anybody else how to be a fan, but there is some hypocrisy in labeling one guy as 'lazy' when he transfers from UNLV and then turn around and talk about how hard the guys UNLV brought in work. I am sure there were guys on the Kansas message board that said the same things about Thomas when he left. If you don't see some hypocrisy in that I don't know what to tell you.

Like I said if you have inside information about his work ethic then I stand corrected. Otherwise there is a small amount of conjecture going on. That is not necessarily a bad thing and are essentially what these boards are for, opinion, debate and discussion.

The end result regardless of our opinions, is that he is gone. We will see how much this effects the team as the season wears on.

 

[the Florian Trout]

I agree with what Max said in that quote. Not sure where in there he says anything about work ethic, but whatever. Also not sure why it needed triple punctuation... Perhaps he screamed it?

Friendly question. So I'm clear, do you dislike all players who quit on their teams midseason? Or just Goodluck?

***attempting to play nice****

i guess he's an angry Tweeter, glad he didn't use all CAPS too. Joe brought up the date when it went out i never looked at that. got notice about his transfer and that tweet on the same text messages i received concerning it. so, either Coach Good randomly threw it out there one day to state something obvious or maybe, just maybe, he was irritated at something going on. i went and "ass"umed that something was bothering him. obviously you can look at it either way or maybe he's a Turrets Tweeter.

as far as your question, i guess i'd say i'd base each one differently. are GO and Kendall Smith the only ones that have left mid-season? i thought KS was weak for leaving, but i wasn't a big fan of his and wasn't mad, just thought it was weak. i can't remember being annoyed at another transfer, except for KR.

to be completely honest, my irritation stems from the fact that i really liked him, i thought he was a much needed 3rd big man, and he seemed like a great teammate. if i didn't like him, i probably would've thought very weak, but oh well.

 

[the Florian Trout]

If you have inside information, from people tied to the program, then your assertions about his work ethic may well be true. Although the quote you used was possibly taken out of context. Others on here have said he wasn't the hardest worker but he also wasn't the first guy out of the gym either.

My issue is more the hypocrisy of lauding transfers from other schools (Moser, Thomas and Carter) as hard working guys. But in the next sentence saying a guy that is leaving didn't want to do the work or practice hard enough to get more minutes. Moser and Thomas both transferred for more playing time. So by your logic they didn't work hard enough at their previous schools to gain more playing time. Why would UNLV want guys that didn't work hard. Most transfers leave for more playing time. Not telling you or anybody else how to be a fan, but there is some hypocrisy in labeling one guy as 'lazy' when he transfers from UNLV and then turn around and talk about how hard the guys UNLV brought in work. I am sure there were guys on the Kansas message board that said the same things about Thomas when he left. If you don't see some hypocrisy in that I don't know what to tell you.

Like I said if you have inside information about his work ethic then I stand corrected. Otherwise there is a small amount of conjecture going on. That is not necessarily a bad thing and are essentially what these boards are for, opinion, debate and discussion.

The end result regardless of our opinions, is that he is gone. We will see how much this effects the team as the season wears on.

unfortunately, transfers are a huge part of the game. i'm always a bit skeptical, but i'm not against players wanting to be Rebels (transfers). i would much rather them come in as freshmen though.

i never said that every transfer doesn't work hard at their other schools. the lack of work or assumed lack of work was taken from a few things that i heard and sure i saw what i thought was some smoke and thought it painted a more realistic picture.

as far as what i heard was that "players t,u,x,w, and z came back to UNLV and each one looked stronger, leaner, very focused, jumping higher, shooting better, dribbling better, whatever and GO looks exactly like he did last year." - quite possibly he worked hard, but he has reached his peak. who knows.

i also ran with Coach Good's quote, but didn't realize it was a month before GO quit. maybe he Tweets stuff like that all the time, i don't know.

anyhow, thanks for the reply. all opinions or the board wouldn't be around. btw, Rebel Scrub added the "begging" part, but i'm okay with it, butt hurt by GO, but okay with Scrub and everyone else.

going to continue some celebrating after that win. they made it a little scary, but it all worked out.

REBELS!

 

[Mjs_702]

OK. Now there's a new game to discuss I'm over talking about players who aren't here. Thank you for answering the question though, I get what you're saying.

Really i just wanted you to admit that you were butt hurt, and that the leaving midseason thing happens all the time. Khem, Kendrick and BDJ all did it to someone else immediately prior to becoming Rebels. Khem and JK are great guys. Goodluck is a good guy too. It happens.

I sure do love the players on this roster today. Fighters. All want to be here and all appear to enjoy putting in the work.

As you say and I agree, the player development that occurred over the last offseason has been apparent.

 

[RebelScrub]

I didn't add the "begging" part

But whoever did lol..

 

[TarkisGod]

Not really craving to participate, or extend this cat-fight, but since Khem Birch's name has been invoked in relation to mid-season transfers, I think we would all agree that he was a great addition to the Rebels. Most of us wished that he had stayed for his senior season...but that's a different issue...

When he announced his decision to transfer to the Rebels, I went to the Pitt message board. He was un-mercifully trashed by the Panther fans. He was lazy, out-of-shape, talentless and a cry-baby. He chose to leave Pitt for UNLV because he wouldn't have to attend classes, and he could free-wheel on the court. They were greatly pissed.

Khem was none of those things, of course and coming to Las Vegas entailed attending classes and practicing and playing hard. So it's just one example, but it illustrates the fairly universal indignity experienced by fans who feel jilted by talented players who choose to move on.

Goodluck will most likely find a situation where he will play a greater role in his team's development, which I assume is what he craves. With the exception of a possible match-up with UNLV, we should all wish him the very best. He was, after all, a Rebel...

 

[the Florian Trout]

Not really craving to participate, or extend this cat-fight, but since Khem Birch's name has been invoked in relation to mid-season transfers, I think we would all agree that he was a great addition to the Rebels. Most of us wished that he had stayed for his senior season...but that's a different issue...

When he announced his decision to transfer to the Rebels, I went to the Pitt message board. He was un-mercifully trashed by the Panther fans. He was lazy, out-of-shape, talentless and a cry-baby. He chose to leave Pitt for UNLV because he wouldn't have to attend classes, and he could free-wheel on the court. They were greatly pissed.

Khem was none of those things, of course and coming to Las Vegas entailed attending classes and practicing and playing hard. So it's just one example, but it illustrates the fairly universal indignity experienced by fans who feel jilted by talented players who choose to move on.

Goodluck will most likely find a situation where he will play a greater role in his team's development, which I assume is what he craves. With the exception of a possible match-up with UNLV, we should all wish him the very best. He was, after all, a Rebel...

good stuff there TiG and it has been going on too long, but anyone can ignore if they wish. i do find a little difference in that Khem was a freshman. so when he arrived in Pittsburgh, there could've been a number of reasons why he wanted to leave. the place, the coache(s), or the player(s), etc...i loved Khem and don't care what what Pitt fans thought of him.

when GO got here initially, he almost left due to being homesick. if he had left at that time, that'd be understandable. he stuck it out though.

the next year he knew what he was getting into and this is what he did. maybe Rice promised that he could run the point some of the time and when he wasn't getting any run, that's when he started trying to pack his bags. haha - probably saw the writing on the wall.

each player is different, so bringing any other name into the GO discussion, i feel, creates another 95 post discussion and an abrupt locking . if anyone wants i can tell them what i heard about Khem's departure from Pitt.

 

[rebelluver]

He rubbed people the wrong way by wanting to leave in the middle of a tournament. It is understandable.

 

[Mjs_702]

You think it's understandable to be mad at him, I think thats silly. That's the one major difference of opinion here. Feel however you want I suppose.

If fans from Goodlucks new school look back at the UNLV board (the way some here looked at the Pitt board, re: Khem), perhaps they'll notice not every Rebel fan screamed and called him names on the way out the door.

One fan got hurt feelings and told the player to screw himself. One thinks that's understandable. Some (I hope most) will be understanding and supportive of the player, wishing him well wherever he finds a fit. He didn't leave us in a bind and his stepping down arguably makes us a better team this season. TBD. We certainly didn't miss him against Oregon's bigs. Even shot 85% from the line.

Tired of this circle. Done

 

[YellowSpinE]

Thought this thread would be something cool with it's title. But upon opening the thread, and owning a BullMastiff, it's appropriately titled. My mastiff is thick headed, stubborn, and doesn't let go of something once he grabs onto it.......

 

[rebel Homer]

I think the timing of his choice (Right after the UCLA Loss) was horrible, and selfish. Do I hate the kid or think he is the demon seed, no way. He just saw the forest through the trees. He knew he was not going to be any better than he was already and he had been recruited over. No reason for anyone to get "mad" at the kid other than you (general sense) are a miserable SOB and are looking for a reason.

I can't believe I am going to say this, but... I agree with @Mjs_702 . We are perhaps a better team by subtraction. Furthermore, The kid did nothing wrong. As far as we know he was the model team mate. No off court troubles (or on for that matter). You want to be pissed, be pissed at the kid sitting at the end of the bench right now because he couldn't stop the party before he got in the car to drive. The same kid that decided being the look out was a good call. The same kid that hasn't sniffed the floor in what, two and a half years simply because of his dumb choices. Not the kid who transferred because he wasn't going to get to play meaningful minutes due to his lack of progress. At least his stupid choices didn't effect the team.