ADVERTISEMENT

Vaughn going pro

Booyah!
roll.r191677.gif
 
Not that I blame him but is there any wonder the college game blows chunks compared to the 80's and 90's? Between players going pro early, utterly incompetent refs and super conferences ruining decades-old rivalries the current product is simply awful to watch.
 
Originally posted by rebelluver:
And what drives it all? $$$$$
Posted from Rivals Mobile
Click to expand...
i can't pretend to know what exactly is going on in his head, but i can't find one good reason as to why he would go. everywhere i have looked, he's mid 2nd round (aka D League).

the one thing he has going for him is that he is YOUNG. still 18 (until September). everyone else is at least already 19. so maybe he gets picked up in the 2nd and gets signed because of the "potential".
 
I thought he should have stayed because there is a much better chance he goes first round next year. As a sophomore he would dominate college ball.

I'll root for him no matter what his decision is, but damn it would have been exciting to see him come back for another year.
 
I don't either. The only thing that makes any sense to me is the agent played the lotto and offered money up front. He is a teenager and a new car could have looked apetizing.

Obviously pure speculation and guess. We have seen time and again the people in these kids ears give horrible advice.

For example... When I heard RV was rehabbing the knee only to be ready for pre-draft camp and wasn't coming back, I was also told that Winston Sheppard's handlers were convinced he was a one and done and were shopping that to college coaches when he was in high school. That is Katin level of ridiculousness. Dude can't make a layup.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
 
if Ri...Aug...the staff could do any sort of development he'd be a sure fire lottery pick. it's too bad he screwed up and picked UNLV.

does SDSU have terrible developers too because of Shephard or do they get a pass because of Leonard?
 
I actually wonder how much of an impact the Rice haters had in this decision. If Vaughn became convinced that Rice can't win even if Vaughn comes back, then it gives Vaughn fewer reasons to stay.
 
This has been debated many times on this site and the half empty crowd always insists that an internet message board couldn't or shouldn't have any effect on what goes through these kids heads.

People that know them say that is not true, that the players read the message boards and can be affected by them. I have no idea as I have never known a player but I would assume depending on the personality it is probable they don't like hearing the repeated crap over and over.

True the biggest fanbases have overzealous negative fans even more than we do, but they also have tons more diehards.

The sticky above from rebelmom is very telling as she was very well connected. She stopped posting here because the negativity goes so far over the top. Maybe she is back on the confidential board, I don't know.

Just one more reason the rehashing the same complaints over and over does nothing but make some people feel better, which in my opinion can say a lot about a person.

To be clear, I am not saying if you have a complaint it is hurting, everybody should, just that making sure you turn every single thread into a Rice sucks thread is ridiculous.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
 
As far as this decision, I wish Rashad the best of success. Most likely, he would benefit from one more year of college. Have a strong season in 2015-16, and he would likely have been looking at being a 1st round pick. It seems apparent that Rashad did not have plans to stay at UNLV more than 2 years, and most likely his plan was 1 and done. I do not hold that against him, because he is just playing by the rules of the current system.

Does the coaching staff try and find out what a prospective recruits plans/intentions are as far as college basketball? How long they plan to stay at UNLV if offered a scholarship and accepting a scholarship? I think signing him was a mistake. Rashad is a nice player, with alot of upside. He had a nice year prior to getting injured. That being said, if it was known he planned to stay at most 2 years, then why offer a scholarship? He was a good player, but not good enough to carry the team to an MWC Title and/or trip to the NCAA Tournament. The only player Rice has recruited who was good enough to carry the team to an NCAA Tournament appearance is Anthony Bennett. It was pretty well known when AB was signed that he would most likely be a 1st round pick after only one season. And, to me, AB was worth signing even knowing he'd likely play only 1 season, because he was good enough to carry the team.

There has just been way too much player turnover under Rice. If Wood leaves, that will mean only 4 of the top 8 players from this season's team will return for next season, as Doolin and Kendrick are out of eligibility. And, that means another season of hearing about all the new players, the team being young, yada, yada, yada......
mad0018.r191677.gif


This post was edited on 4/1 2:42 AM by GoRebs!
 
Originally posted by GoRebs!:


There has just been way too much player turnover under Rice. If Wood leaves, that will mean only 4 of the top 8 players from this season's team will return for next season, as Doolin and Kendrick are out of eligibility. And, that means another season of hearing about all the new players, the team being young, yada, yada, yada......
mad0018.r191677.gif


This post was edited on 4/1 2:42 AM by GoRebs!
Click to expand...
It's very, very, very troubling to me that so many players are leaving who aren't even projected to be drafted in the first round, choosing the D-League over staying another year. Name me any other school where this regularly happens, players leaving early for the D-League or being drafted in the mid-2nd round. If they players were 1st-round picks, I can see them leaving. If not, come back and develop further.... historically, chances are far higher of making it in the NBA by staying in school another year rather than going to the D-League. At UNLV, multiple players are still choosing the D-League choice. Our retention has been and continues to be piss-poor, and that must change if we ever want any continuity.
 
The only thing that makes sense for all these players leaving early and going to the D-League is money and/or no longer wanting to play in college. In the case of Khem, he had graduated, so at least he earned his degree. These guys are getting paid, but not a large sum of money. Maybe they are also getting some type of signing bonus, plus a payout of some kind from an agent? Still seems to me the best option if turning pro is playing in another country, not the D-League. As far as not benefiting by returning to college, it's hard for me to see that being the case, even for Anthony Bennett. The difference in his case being he was a guaranteed first round pick, and ended up being drafted number 1 overall. All of the other players have been projected as 2nd round at best. And, while players drafted in the 2nd round can sign for rookie minimum, the money is NOT guaranteed like it is for a first round pick.

I see people commenting that they wonder if players at UNLV do not think they will improve by staying at UNLV. I do not think this is the reason, except maybe in a case like Mike Moser. And, with Moser, it was likely as much or more about going to a school where he'd be able to play, and be on a team with a high chance of success for his final college season. I also do not believe players opt to leave because of what they may read on this site, if they even read this site. And, if they cannot handle things said on this site, how will they deal with things said on the Internet if playing in the NBA, not to mention local and national talk radio, blogs, newspaper comment sections...etc?




This post was edited on 4/1 5:36 AM by GoRebs!
 
Interesting that Wood hasn't made up his mind yet. Could be telling. If he comes back he could play himself I to a lottery pick who knows. I wish Vaughn well but I think it's an ill advised decision and by actually signing with an agent he can't opt out now. Everything I read and hear is poaitive about Zimm coming. I guess we will find out in the next 3 weeks.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
 
Yeah it just doesn't make much sense. If he stays he can work his way up to a very strong 1st round player but instead he settles for no better than a mid 2nd round pick(if that). I can never fault a guy for going pro if he's practically assured of being picked up early(like CWood) but when his near future is going to consist of being in the D league and getting paid maybe $20,000 why not invest a year to work on your weaknesses, enjoy college life and maybe have a shot at March Madness glory? I wish RV the best and hope he finds success but I think he's making a short-sighted decision.
 
Originally posted by GoRebs!:
As far as this decision, I wish Rashad the best of success. Most likely, he would benefit from one more year of college. Have a strong season in 2015-16, and he would likely have been looking at being a 1st round pick. It seems apparent that Rashad did not have plans to stay at UNLV more than 2 years, and most likely his plan was 1 and done. I do not hold that against him, because he is just playing by the rules of the current system.

Does the coaching staff try and find out what a prospective recruits plans/intentions are as far as college basketball? How long they plan to stay at UNLV if offered a scholarship and accepting a scholarship? I think signing him was a mistake. Rashad is a nice player, with alot of upside. He had a nice year prior to getting injured. That being said, if it was known he planned to stay at most 2 years, then why offer a scholarship? He was a good player, but not good enough to carry the team to an MWC Title and/or trip to the NCAA Tournament. The only player Rice has recruited who was good enough to carry the team to an NCAA Tournament appearance is Anthony Bennett. It was pretty well known when AB was signed that he would most likely be a 1st round pick after only one season. And, to me, AB was worth signing even knowing he'd likely play only 1 season, because he was good enough to carry the team.

There has just been way too much player turnover under Rice. If Wood leaves, that will mean only 4 of the top 8 players from this season's team will return for next season, as Doolin and Kendrick are out of eligibility. And, that means another season of hearing about all the new players, the team being young, yada, yada, yada......
mad0018.r191677.gif


This post was edited on 4/1 2:42 AM by GoRebs!
Click to expand...
According to Trout everyone knew AB was a 2 and done and rice developed him into a 1 and done
roll.r191677.gif
 
Originally posted by ThailandReb:

Originally posted by GoRebs!:


There has just been way too much player turnover under Rice. If Wood leaves, that will mean only 4 of the top 8 players from this season's team will return for next season, as Doolin and Kendrick are out of eligibility. And, that means another season of hearing about all the new players, the team being young, yada, yada, yada......
mad0018.r191677.gif


This post was edited on 4/1 2:42 AM by GoRebs!
Click to expand...
It's very, very, very troubling to me that so many players are leaving who aren't even projected to be drafted in the first round, choosing the D-League over staying another year. Name me any other school where this regularly happens, players leaving early for the D-League or being drafted in the mid-2nd round. If they players were 1st-round picks, I can see them leaving. If not, come back and develop further.... historically, chances are far higher of making it in the NBA by staying in school another year rather than going to the D-League. At UNLV, multiple players are still choosing the D-League choice. Our retention has been and continues to be piss-poor, and that must change if we ever want any continuity.
Click to expand...
Hmmm I wonder why???? Maybe, just maybe, it is because they can develop more with those coaches than with our staff. In fact, I think at some point Khem actually said he can develop more in the D-league than here at UNLV. What does that say about Rice and Augmon who Trout keeps on referring to as the best player developer in the world.
 
How many pure scorers from anywhere on the court are better than an 18 year old Vaughn. I would venture to guess ZERO.

Kid is the real deal when you look at the games he scored compared to the ones he steped off the pedal or got thrashed by Oubre.
 
Do you ever get tired of bullshitting and repeating the same stuff over and over? I don't think anybody ever said Rice was the best player developer anywhere.

Do you feel like you have to lie and exaggerate to make a point? Or maybe you do get tired of posting the same shit so you have no choice but to twist words and make stuff up?

Sad little man.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
 
Originally posted by RebelScrub:
How many pure scorers from anywhere on the court are better than an 18 year old Vaughn. I would venture to guess ZERO.

Kid is the real deal when you look at the games he scored compared to the ones he steped off the pedal or got thrashed by Oubre.
Click to expand...
he can score from anywhere, but his shooting % isn't anything to write home about. streaky.
 
Pahrump's Options:
1) Rice sucks
2) he can only recruit
3) not one player has ever got better and if they did it's because of the conditioning coach
4) Rice is the cause for every loss
5) the players are the cause for every win
6) rebelluver is a retard
7) i'm a retard
8) UNLV should just shell out $2.5 million for Shaka Smart
9) Rice sucks

did he try a combination? my guess would be 1, 9, 4, 3, 9.
 
Originally posted by rebelluver:
Do you ever get tired of bullshitting and repeating the same stuff over and over? I don't think anybody ever said Rice was the best player developer anywhere.

Do you feel like you have to lie and exaggerate to make a point? Or maybe you do get tired of posting the same shit so you have no choice but to twist words and make stuff up?

Sad little man.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
Click to expand...
I'm just repeating what most of you tards say. And you are one of them.
 
Be careful sandracer! If u get trout really mad he will start accusing you of being one of mine or patriots "Alts".

Its pretty much his only comeback when he gets sad about stuff
 
RebelScrub,

There are plenty of 18 year olds who can score on par with Vaughn if given a green light to shoot. There are kids on playgrounds all over America who can score as good or better than Vaughn. And, as pointed out by another poster, he did not have a great shooting percentage. This does NOT mean he isn't a talented player, and that he does not have alot of potential. Also, in the NBA, there is no shortage of guys who can score. Teams want guys who can score AND play defense, shoot a solid percentage, pass, rebound and be WELL ROUNDED. Unless you are a guy who can shoot 50%+ from 3 point range, in which case you MIGHT land a role as a shooting specialist off the bench. Vaughn is not that type of player. And, even guys like that have to be willing and able to play defense when on the floor, and they had better be highly efficient shooting the ball, or they will be in the D-League, CBA, ABA, in another country, or playing pickup games talking about what "could have been".

Vaughn is a nice player. He had a solid year up until he got hurt. And, had he opted to return, there are many valid reasons to believe with one more year of college, he would move from a 2nd round pick to a 1st round pick. Not only would this have been of benefit to UNLV, for Vaughn it would mean being able to sign a GUARANTEED CONTRACT in the NBA, have a much greater likliehood of making an NBA roster, and being a year older, stronger, wiser, more experienced...etc. The only real down side to staying at UNLV is the risk of getting hurt. But, unless he winds up being taken in the 1st round, he will not sign a GUARANTEED contract, and getting hurt will still be something that would ruin his potential future earnings, not too mention his development as a player.
 
I only got throug the first couple of lines of that post. There are kids all over the country on playgrounds that can score as well as Vaughn?

Then why aren't they playing for money because I guarantee one way or another he will someday.

He can flat score. His shooting percentages weren't great but his stroke is so pure. He will be a conpletely lights out shooter by the time he is done and he is smooth in getting to the bucket as well.

He needs to work on defense and effort and he will be really good.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
 
Originally posted by Vegas007:
I actually wonder how much of an impact the Rice haters had in this decision. If Vaughn became convinced that Rice can't win even if Vaughn comes back, then it gives Vaughn fewer reasons to stay.
Click to expand...
I would venture 0%. As these guys have first hand knowledge I would venture that is greater than anything said on a message board that seems to have only 10 people posting on it.
 
rebelluver,

I stand by my comments. As for Rashad, he is a nice player. I wish him the best going forward. I think he is going to have a very hard time making an NBA roster. Actually, the best case scenario for Rashad if not a 1st round pick is to go undrafted. Then he can sign a Free Agent contract with a team he believes is a good fit, and on which he will be given a legitimate chance to make the team.

Nothing in life is guaranteed. Odds though, are on the side Vaughn could have played his way into a First round 2016 draft pick, and at the same time been a key player on possibly the team that turns around the future for UNLV Men's Basketball. Now, he is going to have a long, difficult road just to make an NBA roster, let alone actually play in NBA games.

For his sake, I hope this decision turns out to be a great decision, both on and off the court. He seems like a good kid. He was fun to watch this season for UNLV. And, he definitely is full of the dreaded "P" word, Potential.
 
Originally posted by GoRebs!:
rebelluver,


Nothing in life is guaranteed. Odds though, are on the side Vaughn could have played his way into a First round 2016 draft pick, and at the same time been a key player on possibly the team that turns around the future for UNLV Men's Basketball.
Click to expand...
Thats great and all but he has had 2 knee injuries in past two seasons and let say he plays next season, he goes for his 18ppg average looks like a legit first round pick and then tears one of his two ailing knees... Gone is that guaranteed money, gone is a legit chance at making the NBA at least next season, then you add in 18 months of rehab, gets to play in 2016-2017... Its not a sure fire decision but If I was him, Id take my 2nd round pay with Potential vs, getting hurt in college an ruining that pro dream all together...
 
Only 1st round ricks sign guaranteed salaries. Often times a 2nd round pick will sign with a team, play for that team in Summer League, and then not be invited to Fall training camp. Others sign with a team, play for them in the Summer League, and then are invited to Fall camp with a different team.

I think Khem got something like $50,000 signing bonus last year. So, Rashad will probably get some guaranteed money if drafted, most likely in the form of a signing bonus. I also believe the players get paid a small amount per game in the Summer League, and then get paid as long as they remain in Fall camp with a team. But, those are not large sum of money.

The comments made about Rashad returning and getting hurt again ARE valid, as that is a possibility. Possible injury would make much more sense though as reason to leave this year if he were predicted to be a 1st round pick, and thus be able to sign a guaranteed contract. He has an agent, and the agent will likely get a cut of whatever signing bonus he makes. Then add in all the people who will be asking him to help them with money, and other things of that nature. D-League players make like $15,000 in their 1st season. I remember reading an article on Khem, and he does not seem much better off money wise than when he was at UNLV. Again though, with Khem, he graduated from UNLV He has his degree, and I do not think he would have benefited from another year in college.

As I've been saying, I wish Rashad the best. I hope this choice works out for him. He will be playing against better competition even if in the D-League, plus playing with NBA rules and with NBA scouts at every game. And, he will get paid. $15,000 plus a pier diem, housing and maybe a car to get around in whatever city he plays is not bad. Pales in comparison to what a player can make in the NBA, but $15,000 to play basketball for 6-7 months is not bad. And, these players still have the other 5-6 months to use to make money in other ways, including playing in Summer League, making an NBA roster for pre-season, and even going to a country where they league is played in April-August.
 
Here is an interesting article. As you will see, it is very hard for 2nd round picks to make NBA Rosters. At the start of this season, there were 447 players on NBA Roster, 102 of whom were former 2nd round picks. Breaks down to 22.8% of players in the NBA.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2014/11/second-picks-rosters.html


Here is one mock draft for 2015. Again, it is ONLY ONE. This mock draft had Rashad being taken by OKC with the 48th pick. I sure hope for his sake he does NOT get drafted by OKC. The team is loaded, and if he makes the team, he will rarely see the ball.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2015/

This site is a bit kinder to Rashad. Has him going 35th to the Lakers, a team that STINKS!!!!
http://www.nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft
 
Originally posted by YellowSpinE:


Originally posted by Vegas007:
I actually wonder how much of an impact the Rice haters had in this decision. If Vaughn became convinced that Rice can't win even if Vaughn comes back, then it gives Vaughn fewer reasons to stay.
Click to expand...
I would venture 0%. As these guys have first hand knowledge I would venture that is greater than anything said on a message board that seems to have only 10 people posting on it.
Click to expand...
I disagree. I wasn't thinking just about the comments on this forum though. There must be Rice haters outside of this forum, and I would have expected Vaughn to hear from them. And at his age I could see him easily be persuaded.
 
At the start of this season, there were 447 players on NBA Roster, 102 of whom were former 2nd round picks. Breaks down to 22.8% of players in the NBA.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

reb4life777

Vaughn thoughts

Replies
96
Views
2K
Rebel Confidential
sil240sxrwd
sil240sxrwd
ADVERTISEMENT

Latest posts

ADVERTISEMENT
Top Bottom
Back